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David Johnson wrote:

> ..... A recent study
> highlighted that EU migrants pay more in taxes than they take
> out in benefits.
>

First maybe I'm just too sceptical but almost any study can give the required headline result by the selection of exactly what is included or excluded.

Second if they were not working here the jobs could be done by those formally registered as seeking work so the money they currently receive in benefits could be reallocated.

"but almost any study can give the required headline result by the selection of exactly what is included or excluded".

"MEP Steven Woolfe, Ukip's migration spokesman, said: "The principal issue for Ukip has never been about whether immigrants are all 'benefit scroungers'. We recognise that immigration can be economically advantageous for the UK. That's why we are the only major political party proposing a points-based immigration system that will accentuate the benefits to Britain while reducing any negative impact.

"Second if they were not working here the jobs could be done by those formally registered as seeking work so the money they currently receive in benefits could be reallocated."

This is the proviso that UKIP provide. And your proof for this statement is what exactly? A feeling that fruit picking farms in Eastern England would be inundated by British applicants if EU migrants were banned from taking these jobs? Or a feeling that employers are using graduate level Polish people to do jobs rather than UK graduates, knowing that the Polish graduates may well return to Poland for a whole host of reasons e.g. family, home sickness etc. etc?

His proof is that the statement was issued by the Government/Government agencies ? and we know how truthful they are. Unemployment down, non-EU immigration down, crime down ? yeah, right...

What statement are you talking about?

any study can give the required headline result by the selection of exactly what is included or excluded

"His proof is that the statement was issued by the Government/Government agencies "

The report I reference was not issued by the government/government agencies. It was produced by University College London.

If you have any proof that it is incorrect, provide that evidence.

All very undemocratic, it is amazing how becoming part of Europe morphed from being the minor thing which that meant back in the 70's to what it later became. William Hague said, as leader of the Tories in the late-90's: "we should be in Europe but not run by Europe". We are certainly co-run by them: loss of our borders; mass immigration from the other, now, 26 countries and we can't do anything about it; that ludicrous Human Rights Act; and other things.

Lastly, I am sure the Referendum will happen, Blair and Brown promised us one, then pulled out. Cameron seems genuine about letting us have one.

There are certainly advantages to us by having workers from Eastern Europe here, they are doing jobs others won't do - be it fruit picking, bar work, waiter/waitress, cleaner, building site labourer, road sweeper, etc. People's anger comes when some DO go on Benefit, and/or have access to unlimited expensive healthcare on the NHS when their contribution has been minimal. Is it right that someone works as a waitress, pays little or no tax, but can get thousands of pounds of healthcare free? Or a bus driver who gets his kids educated for nothing? These are the things that rattle people, aswell as the fact, as I said previously, that we are an overcrowded little island.

max_tranmere wrote:

> Lastly, I am sure the Referendum will happen, Blair and Brown
> promised us one, then pulled out. Cameron seems genuine about
> letting us have one.


Well before the last election if you remember, he have us a "cast iron guarantee" that there'd be one in this parliament. And we all know what happened to that.

This time he's only given us a "commitment" to having one in the next parliament.

Despite what he says I can't see it happening on Dave's watch and it definitely wouldn't happen on Milliband's. Or if it does it'll be a Crimea-style rigged ballot with the questions phrased in such a way as to ensure we stay in.

We'll have to wait and see. The media today were saying next years election is going to be the most unpredictable ever - although they may be able to make a prediction a bit nearer the event. Milliband might be gone soon, Labour might become more popular - or Labour might stay as they are, people vote very similarly to last time, and we get the Cameron and Clegg show for another 5 years. If THAT is the case, Cameron may stick to his pledge to give us a referendum.