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I was merely responding to your post in this thread which was in itself a reply to Cockneygeezer.



You, yourself refer to Muslims here

"It also shows that Muslims are mainly persecuted by other Muslims (sunni vs shia vs salafi vs sufi etc.)."

When you say
"Making this thread about me is an obvious diversionary tactic "

all I am doing is responding to stuff you, yourself have posted in this thread.

What's the problem? Are your views never to be questioned?

And you choose the statistics that suit the argument.

For example in the Index on Censorship



The worst countries identified are Burma (overwhelmingly Buddhist), China (atheist and if we decide to go by population probably close to the entire population of the other countries on your list), Eritrea (according to the Pew foundation, mainly Christian), Iran (Muslim), North Korea (atheist), Saudi Arabia (Sunni), Sudan (Muslim), Usbekistan (Muslim but Individuals and groups deemed ?extremist,? often for national security concerns rather than specific aspects of their faith)

Which brings me to your sweeping generalisation about Muslim countries. You make no mention of the reasons for the repression. For example in certain Muslim countries like Sudan it is from a strict religious perspective. In the case of Egypt it is aimed mainly at the Muslim Brotherhood who are viewed as a threat to the state.

Nor do you separate what the Pew Foundation refers to as "social hostilities i.e. persecution of religious groups by individuals, other groups etc. from state persecution which whilst aimed at a particular religious group may be purely concerned with keeping in power in a largely secular state e.g. Sisi and before him Mubarek in Egypt.

If you looked at the social hostilities list (street attacks, mob vio lence etc) you would have seen countries like Russia, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Burma, Nigeria and Israel on the very high list. None of them Muslim majority apart from possibly Nigeria where it is about 50-50 with Christianity. So again from a population point of view overwhelmingly non-Muslim.

So you take the statistics to show whatever you want basically. Your selection seems to have been taken to back up your views on Islam and Muslims.

Being a good RC, I brain washed an alter boy into going into that fucking
Methodist church and blowing himself up.
Fucking worked. Next one will be a Quaker meeting.
Fuckers.......

Yeah I knew it was a mistake to carpet bomb Paddy's Wigwam in Liverpool and blow most of the Catholic population of Liverpool to smithereens. Bloody whining Scousers (hand of friendship offering to Bob Singleton).

I remember the Security Services said it would only get those RCs backs up!

Can't you see Bernard we were trying to give you democracy to replace that pile of superstition fed to you by a bunch of child abusers and child abuser coveruperers?

Give democracy a go, Bernard. You know it makes sense. If it was good enough for Iraq and Afghanistan, it's good enough for you!!!!!!

It's ok I'm gonna target Tom Cruise next.
What the fuck is Scientology.

As you can see, David wants to talk about censorship now, rather than persecution. And he wants to split persecution from individuals and governments to muddy the waters and avoid the obvious conclusions we can draw from it all.

Fact is, the pew report takes into account all religious persecution and rates each country. 20 out of 24 of the countries rated 'very high' in religious persecution are Islamic states or have majority Islamic population. We're not nit picking here........the results are clear. Overwhelmingly, Islamic countries are far more intolerant of others than countries where other religions predominate. Only officially atheist states are worse (sadly for me being an atheist) but I'd argue this is more about one party communist states being scared of the influence religion has on a population than actual 'atheism'.

This goes against the mantras about Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance...........and that 'all religions are as bad as each other'. The facts do not support either view.

My views on Islam are clear. It's a bronze-aged, intolerant, fascistic, doctrine that, like the main veins of Christianity, needs it's own enlightenment. It holds back scientific, cultural and economic progress in countries it has pervaded which has horrible consequences for it's followers, who, like most religious people, were indoctrinated at birth.

No one would have been so eager to question my motives or sully my character if I'd posted a poll saying that 20 of the 24 top countries for religious child abuse were mainly Christian countries. This automatic, almost instinctive defense response at even the slightest criticism of Islam -even when those criticisms have merit, are unquestionably true and are fair comment- just makes it harder to argue against real bigotry. Any defense of Muslims just makes you a 'do-gooder'. It's politically motivated and based on fear of being labelled racist and we've just witnessed it in this thread when two posters went straight in for the character assassination.

It took David 6 posts in before he -after my pointing out his diversionary tactics- decided to address the Pew report itself (and even then it was mainly a criticism of my conclusions and motives for posting rather than addressing the findings themselves).

And to show what a slimeball he is, he uses my views on Islam (the religion) to be dismissive of my pointing out to cockneygeezer that I've spent hours and hours over the years defending Muslims against the bigots around here.........in many threads where I and David were in total agreement may I add. All conveniently forgotten to back up cockneygeezer's wrong and silly implication that I 'hate Muslims'. It's deceitful and distasteful.

"It's an independent, respected poll about religious persecution. Nothing else. Maybe you ought to ask yourself why this poll made you so uncomfortable."

Poll never made me feel uncomfortable. You bought the whole subject up to further some kind of agenda. What's the problem?

"But I won't accept your silly implications."

You've really upset me know

"You found it easier to imply I'm some sort of closeted bigot. Surely then you have to look at yourself."

I'm bigoted against bigots. There are good and bad people in the world. Your agenda is Islam is bad. I take a different view.

"Criticising Islam for the bad things it's responsible for."

If you criticised Christianity for the bad things it's responsible for i would call that a balanced and objective view.

"David and cockneygeezer2009 are making the whole thread about me"

Whattttttttttt?????????????

It's about your agenda of Anti Islam. You seem to have a problem with people who disagree with you.

"cockneygeezer's wrong and silly implication that I 'hate Muslims'. It's deceitful and distasteful."

Ok you win. Islam is bad. Some Muslim countries persecute all other religions and that 'fact' makes you very unhappy.
Are you happy now that i agree with you?

"cockneygeezer's wrong and silly implication that I 'hate Muslims'. It's deceitful and distasteful."

Ok i was slightly over the top. You're anti Islamic. I totally disagree with your assertion that Islam is a bad religion or the worst. Anyone can find something bad about anything. I try not to make 'anti' thread posts. If i did i would expect opposite or different views. Why should i agree with you if i see things differently?