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"Now.......if you want to talk about post-war planning and long-term strategy, I might agree with you"

That's what we are talking about. So, in short, you agree with us then.

"David's misinformation and false statements"

Give us a clue then? What are you talking about? There is absolutely nothing in your posts that contradicts the points I make in this thread re. your post.

"As I've said previously, Saddam was going to go at some point. Which left two crazy sons left to fight over it all. It was going to go tits up anyway,"

This illustrates your failure to grasp the simplest of points. When Saddam was overthrown, the Allies completely laid waste to the infrastructure in terms of policing, army etc. etc. so post-invasion the country fell apart. It is only complete and utter guesswork on your part, that this would have happened to Iraq anyway.

But hey most of your thoughts on this topic are based on guesswork so why should we be surprised?

Why haven't the UN put anyone on trial yet?

Cos it's legal.

"Why haven't the UN put anyone on trial yet?

Cos it's legal."

Err. cos there is no charge of an act of aggression that the International Court in the Hague can bring. If there is no crime on the statutes covering an act of aggression of one or more countries against another there cannot be a trial.

You appear to be on the brink of a nervous breakdown. Time for a holiday?

Just before you start cackling insanely "Got you DJ, if it isn't on the statute book it can't be illegal" .

Nation states have agreed what constitutes an act of aggression and the Iraq invasion falls into that definition. It hasn't been ratified yet. Just as turkeys tend not to vote for Xmas, the US/UK tends not to vote for ratification of the act of aggression.

To help you understand this point - it's a bit like asking Gary Glitter to ratify the law on kiddie fiddling even though it has been decided it is illegal, and he appears reluctant to do so. Strange that....

And, andy, as you can see, David's answered for you. Of course, he's now asking me what I'm talking about, in my thread, where I make it quite clear what I'm talking about.

He's a strange one.

11 years on and no one has been brought to trial. Quite clearly, because the war was legal.

Ignore the political posturing.......especially from Kofi Annan......where more Africans died under his watch as head of the UN peacekeeping force than anyone. FACT

That's what inaction and apathy brings. Nearly a million slaughtered in the most horrific ways. Most of them were black so you'll not hear much from Johnson about it.

There are of course, limitations to this argument.

Mussolini. He was never brought to court and put on trial so he can't have done anything illegal. I don't think we should take advantage of the fact that he was strung up from a lamp post to slander him.

Kruschev invaded Hungary and he was never put on trial so that invasion must have been legal. And he was around for years afterwards so there was plenty of time to try him.

Hitler was never put on trial, so he can't have done anything illegal. Just because he snuffed it doesn't mean that we can get away with slandering and libelling his memory. And he made the trains run on time........

!wink!

There is no such thing as a humanitarian war Mr Slater. The Iraq war failed in a country which was created to serve the needs of the oil companies in the 1920s. The tribal activity you see going on now is completely natural for the region and would never have happened if they had left President Hussein, installed by the USA and sold weapons by them for a very long time, in charge of things. I'd love to see Tony Blair and GWB in the dock in Hague one day, but it would do him the world of good to witness a bit of violence in person, a fine splatter of somebody's blood on his shirt to remind him of the holocaust he helped to unleash in the region and the bastard is still advocating a war whenever he opens his mouth. It's what happens when you sell your soul and no his stupid religion and hotline to God isn't a justification for anything.

[quote]The tribal activity you see going on now is completely natural for the region and would never have happened if they had left President Hussein, installed by the USA and sold weapons by them for a very long time, in charge of things.[/quote]

How bad would Britain have to get for you to tolerate a dictator that committed genocide on the people?

And while we're at it........how long do you think Saddam was going to live and which son of his would you have backed for taking over?

It warms the cockles of my heart to know that there are people who in 2014 think that GWB and Tony Blair were so outraged by the conduct of the regime in Iraq that they poured $1.1 trillion or so into teaching those bad guys in charge a lesson and improving things for people there. I'm so glad that there was no other financial or material motivation for such commitment to peace, order, democracy, civil liberties and let's just say it, love. They should get the Nobel Prize.