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Gentleman wrote:

> Mostly irrevelvant surely the main point is the religious
> aspect that it appears to be acceptable that non Muslims have
> to accept food that has been blessed in the name of a deity
> other than their own.
>
> No other religion is presented with a choice in this matter as
> they were unaware of the situation and therefore impossible to
> make a informed choice.

The Jeremy Vine show did this yesterday. A sikh was on, his local school have switched to 100% halal meat without informing anyone, meaning his children have been eating halal meat, which sikhs are not supposed to, without knowing.

Muslim 'rights' trump all others.

Meanwhile in Birmingham, a dinner lady gets sacked for accidentally feeding non-halal meat to the kids. Once. Angry boy starts complaining, the school capitulates.

Muslim 'rights' trump all others.

Peter wrote:

> Muslim 'rights' trump all others.


the sacking of the dinner lady was a disgrace and you're correct, muslim rights do seem to trump all others sometimes.

This is not a muslim country, and those muslims who are not willing to make compromises ('when in Rome' and all that) should go an live in a muslim country where they do not need to worry about such mistakes occurring. There are plenty such countries to choose from after all. Or at least send their kids to a muslim school (there are enough of them as well, plus of course all the other schools that the muslims are now trying to take over).

try going to any muslim country and demanding non-halal meat and see what sort of reception you get.

[quote]Mostly irrevelvant surely the main point is the religious aspect that it appears to be acceptable that non Muslims have to accept food that has been blessed in the name of a deity other than their own.[/quote]

They're my thoughts on Halal (see title). So definitely relevant to me.

Another think people will say to deflect attention away from the cruelty of Halal is to say stunning before killing isn't alway 100% affective. This is undoubtedly true. It isn't.

But that's like saying that because speed limits and seat belts aren't 100% effective in saving lives, we shouldn't care whether seat belts or worn or speed limits adhered to.

As you can see, when the emotive 'race' issue is taken out of it by using an everyday analogy, it's a stupid point to defend the indefensible.

This is bilge.

90% of Halal meat used in the UK has been stunned prior to sticking.
100% of the non-Halal meat used in the UK has been stunned prior to sticking.

Stunning is not 100% effective - true. This applies to all methods of stunning.

Therefore the vast majority of halal meat production is not cruel, certainly no crueller than all meat production.

So to make a global statement about "the cruelty of halal" without defining exactly what types of halal you are talking about is bilge.

A pretty gory business.