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Re: Zero hours contracts

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:19 pm
by Porn Baron

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Re: Gentleman

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:33 am
by Gentleman
Of course it wouldn't but it help improve the situation of a lot of people such as those trapped on low wages due to the oversupply of cheap labour and high rent due to under supply because of over demand.

Re: Gentleman

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:11 am
by David Johnson
I'm not sure it would make much of a difference at all other than the non-immigrant population being forced into jobs like fruit picking that many of them would prefer not to do and which immigrants seem quite keen to do.

Even if you stopped all net immigration tomorrow there would still be two and half million people registered as unemployed.

The overwhelming number of jobs created under this government have been:

1. Self employed jobs where you have no job security at all and no guaranteed income.

2. Zero hours contracts where you have no job security at all and no guaranteed income.

So the lot of people moving into those jobs will not make it any easier to rent property because they have no regular guaranteed income whatsoever.

Increasingly the unemployed are being forced into any jobs irrespective of conditions otherwise they are sanctioned and lose all their benefits.

The only party which is offering to put a block on EU immigration is UKIP and they are a party who have been in favour of stripping workers' rights away from them e.g. maternity leave etc.

Be careful what you wish for, Mr Gentleman.

Forgot to mention

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:40 am
by David Johnson
And I would expect getting out of the EU would result in a lot of good quality, well paid jobs disappearing from the UK. A lot of car manufacturers for example, are only here because manufacturing in an EU country allows them access to EU markets more profitably and easily than if their manufacturing process was totally outside the EU.

Re: Forgot to mention

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 12:59 pm
by Essex Lad
And once again the spectre of lost jobs rises from the dead.

If Britain left the EU at 9am tomorrow, by lunchtime there would be innumerable trade agreements in place.

The trade advantages of being in the European Union single market are ?imaginary? and have not helped British exports, according to a new report.

It claims the UK?s exports to Europe have grown at a slower rate than our trade with other leading countries outside the EU bloc, over the past four decades.

And the proportion of EU trade within Britain?s total exports of goods and services abroad, is no higher than when Britain joined the European Economic Community in 1973, at just over 60pc.

UK's exports to Europe have grown at a slower rate than our trade with other leading countries outside the EU bloc, over the past four decades

Essex Lad

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:34 pm
by David Johnson
The report you refer to was produced by Civitas, the right wing think tank.

The Confederation for British Industry survey showed 8 out of 10 UK firms felt that Britain must stay in the UK and the CBI themselves, are in favour of continuing membership

So you pays your money and you makes your choice.
And the Financial Times argued, for example,

the impact on industries such as food and textiles, where tariffs are much higher than the average, would be far from mild. British dairy exports would incur an import tax of 55% to reach the EU market, with tariffs on some items of more than 200%. Cheddar cheese would face a tariff of ?167 per 100kg; the mark-up on Stilton would be ?141. Average tariffs on clothing would push up their price in European markets by 12%.

Parts of Britain?s car industry would move out. British-based producers would face a 4% tariff on car-equipment sales to the EU, and there would be pressure to impose tariffs on components imported from it. Factories owned by carmakers with plants and supply chains in other parts of the EU would be most at risk. Vital car components might be held up by customs as they leave the continent. A cheap pound and a flexible workforce may not be enough to keep GM in Britain, for instance, even though it sells many cars there etc. etc. etc.

Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:29 pm
by Essex Lad
Ah yes the CBI - the same organisation that said that unless Britain joined the euro our economy would suffer... Such expertise and prescience.

Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:35 pm
by David Johnson
And the 8 out of 10 businesses have no expertise either. Like I said you pays your money and makes your choice.

Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:16 pm
by Essex Lad
I suspect that the CBI is more influential than "eight out of ten" randomly surveyed businesses.

Re: Essex Lad

Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:30 pm
by David Johnson
400 businesses employing 1.5 million direct employees