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As One Eyed Jack said, prisons have their own internal justice system, and I give them a week before they get their first beating. Soon they will be moved to special prisons probably with nonces (Not Of Normal Criminal Element) or better known as sex offenders, where the rest of their lives will be extremely long and miserable.

Hanging is too good for them and would make them martyrs better they spend the rest of their lives surrounded by the lowest form of scum where they can vanish into insignificance.

Zorro wrote:

nonces (Not Of Normal Criminal Element) or better known as
> sex offenders

The Oxford English Dictionary, while describing the word nonce's etymology as "Origin unknown", states that it is "perhaps related to" nance and cites a quotation which claims the word was derived from nancy-boy (referring to effeminate or homosexual males). It also suggests that it may derive from the nonse, Lincolnshire dialect for "good-for-nothing fellow".

Linguist Jonathon Green suggests the word derives from nonsense. He quotes a reference from 1970 citing "nonces" as being short for "nonsenses" and an additional citation from 1999.

max_tranmere wrote:
>
> RIP Lee, you'll never be forgotten...

He will be forgotten as indeed are nearly all servicemen. I would guess that if you asked people in the street today to name the soldier killed in Woolwich, at least 50% would struggle with his name (and in a few years only his family will remember it) and they would have no idea about the two butchered by the IRA on 19 March 1988 and that one killed (by his own men by all accounts) at Goose Green in 1982.

Despite what politicians say in the House the names of soldiers and sailors and airmen are very quickly forgotten...

I like the idea of summary justice in jails, the really bad people having the crap beaten out of them on a daily basis. I just hope that the cabal of muslims that exist in our prisons, where they all club together, doesn't protect them.

If what you say is correct then I think that is sad. Most people certainly know the name Lee Rigby and what that refers too. I think people will do for some years to come too. Soliders killed in other situations, like you mention, may not be remembered as much because - and I'm not sure why this is - people were less shocked by the incident. Certain things stand out: I've always remembered, and I could say it right now, the name of the 15 year old girl who died when the IRA blew up the City of London in 1992. I was saddened then and still am. The Gherkin now stands where the Baltic Exchange (which the IRA blew up) used to be and every time I see The Gherkin I always think of her. I was angered by what the IRA did and still am. Most people won't remember her name though and most people aren't even aware that only reason The Gherkin stands in the City of London is because of that IRA bomb. I think we'll remain knowledgeable of the name Lee Rigby for a long time to come yet though.

max_tranmere wrote:

> If what you say is correct then I think that is sad. Most
> people certainly know the name Lee Rigby and what that refers
> too. I think people will do for some years to come too.
> Soliders killed in other situations, like you mention, may not
> be remembered as much because - and I'm not sure why this is -
> people were less shocked by the incident. Certain things stand
> out: I've always remembered, and I could say it right now, the
> name of the 15 year old girl who died when the IRA blew up the
> City of London in 1992. I was saddened then and still am. The
> Gherkin now stands where the Baltic Exchange (which the IRA
> blew up) used to be and every time I see The Gherkin I always
> think of her. I was angered by what the IRA did and still am.
> Most people won't remember her name though and most people
> aren't even aware that only reason The Gherkin stands in the
> City of London is because of that IRA bomb. I think we'll
> remain knowledgeable of the name Lee Rigby for a long time to
> come yet though.

I don't think we will. Time passes so quickly and in a few years if he is mentioned at all, people will refer to "that bloke Rigsby who got butchered in the street".

I think the murder of the two soldiers in 1988 stood out ? it was on television!

I'm reasonably au fait with history and current affairs but I didn't know the Gherkin stands on the site of the Baltic Exchange and I couldn't name the 15-year-old girl if my life depended upon it.

Danielle Carter.

I'd bet you are one of the very, very few people who could name her.

Well said OEJ