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I've read all the comments here. It's worth remembering that Duggan was a known criminal, and a member of a notorious north London gang who often came into armed conflict with other London gangs. He had also purchased a gun just before being shot. The issue is whether he had thrown it on the ground or whether he still had it in his hand. The way some people go on, and the way some of Duggan's family have gone on, you would think he was someone who helped out at his local Church, assisted old ladies across the road, and wouldn't say boo to a goose. He may have tossed the weapon but the Police have to make a split-second decision and Duggan was clearly intending to use that loaded weapon that evening. This is clear when you look at his past and his character.

From what I've read today 29 year old Duggan was a member of the Tottenham based Man Dem gang who are associated with drug dealing and violence. A senior officer in Operation Trident, which deals with gun crime in the black community but because of PC reasons is usually described these days as 'dealing with gun crime in society' described Duggan as a confrontational and violent person. He also said Duggan was one of the 48 most violent criminals in Europe! Wow. That is something to be. I think it obliterates the lefty-liberal theory of how he was an ordinary guy who volunteered at local old pensioners clubs. It has been claimed by the Operation Trident officer that Duggan once shot somebody in a nightclub and another time had fired a gun in a nightclub car park. He was also once arrested on suspicion of murder and was also, on two occasions, nicked for travelling in vehicles where guns and ammunition were found.

On the day Duggan was shot he had collected a gun from a man called Kevin Hutchinson-Foster. This man was described as a 'quartermaster' who had an arsenal of weapons which he stored for gangsters. He was convicted last year of supplying the gun that Duggan was carrying when the Police pulled the car over that he was travelling in back in 2011. Today we have the predictable follow-on from yesterday's 'lawful killing' verdict. Some 'pastor' from Tottenham has been doing the rounds of the TV studios and holding street press conferences. This person most people have never heard of. So called friends of Mark Duggan have also been doing the rounds of the TV networks criticising the Police and implying that Duggan was such a lovely guy, and that it was so out of order that he was shot.

Here's something to consider: as Duggan was a man who was about to murder someone, had likely done it before and regularly hung around with people who did the same, wasn't it a bit ridiculous for those people to stand outside the Court yesterday and yell "murderer!" at the senior Policeman who was giving the Police's reaction to the 'lawful killing' verdict? The protestors were standing up for Duggan and they would obviously know what he was about. To support him as a character is to condone his activities therefore "murderer" is something they would condone, not condemn - if they were being consistent, surely? I don't believe the Police 'shoot to kill' anyway, they 'shoot to stop' - and this was proven by what they did in Woolwich when they shot the killers of Lee Rigby (as has been mentioned above). If the person ends up dead then so be it, that is clearly unavoidable in some cases.

Basically Duggan was a low-life and people like him have helped further turn London into a clone of an American city. We used to be the envy of urban America, years ago shootings here were barely heard of, now it is a daily thing. We also have a number of very American-style gangs here, ones years ago you didn't have but were, and still are, commonplace in Los Angeles, Chicago and so on. Duggan's supporters have the right to say what they like, and I have the right to not listen if I choose. The interviewers should always say to them though "wasn't he involved in organised crime, shootings, gangster-ism and so on?" at the start of the interview - and that might make them consider incorporating into their responses a bit of humility.

Shooting to wound. Pathetic. Where are the lads from Gibraltar when you need them?

Very interesting Max. An obvious point to make but it needs making. What proof exactly have you got for anything contained in the following? The answer to save you embarrassment is none whatsoever. :

"It's worth remembering that Duggan was a known criminal, and a member of a notorious north London gang who often came into armed conflict with other London gangs. He may have tossed the weapon but the Police have to make a split-second decision and Duggan was clearly intending to use that loaded weapon that evening. This is clear when you look at his past and his character.

From what I've read today 29 year old Duggan was a member of the Tottenham based Man Dem gang who are associated with drug dealing and violence. A senior officer in Operation Trident, which deals with gun crime in the black community but because of PC reasons is usually described these days as 'dealing with gun crime in society' described Duggan as a confrontational and violent person. He also said Duggan was one of the 48 most violent criminals in Europe! Wow. That is something to be. I think it obliterates the lefty-liberal theory of how he was an ordinary guy who volunteered at local old pensioners clubs. It has been claimed by the Operation Trident officer that Duggan once shot somebody in a nightclub and another time had fired a gun in a nightclub car park. He was also once arrested on suspicion of murder and was also, on two occasions, nicked for travelling in vehicles where guns and ammunition were found. "

"as Duggan was a man who was about to murder someone, had likely done it before "

Yes because Mark Duggan was such a choirboy and when he was shot was no doubt on his way to help at a hospice or old people's home.

Ho, ho, ho! What a wag. Nip round and tell his mother that one. She probably needs a good laugh.

Apart from the posters on this forum, do you always see the good in people? Mark Duggan was a scumbag and the world is a better place without him in it.

""apart from the posters on this forum, do you always see the good in people?"

Where did I say Duggan was "good" or he had good qualities?

"Mark Duggan was a scumbag and the world is a better place without him in it."

He had a minor conviction for possessing cannabis and was fined ?280 for handling stolen goods. If you believe everyone with a similar record should be shot, the streets of London are going to be piled high with bodies. Either that or like so many, you fancy yourself as judge and jury.

His mother is blind to the life her son was leading.

Okay, I didn't realise that you knew the Duggan family really well.

I never said I did