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Thatcher was going for the unions - they just happeend to have the strongest influence in the mines - thye kicked the power leaders too many times. Same as the car industry and now we weep as we see the industry in terminal decline.

This country is fucked and were going to go through terrible unrest - the immigrants ? why should they be getting money ? put them out the country.Take a leaf from the aussies and how they deal with it. Get a move on with industry start to upgrade and build now infrastructure - roads railways and the like get construction going again and inject much needed money into the economy. Fully nationalise the banks - they couldnt run themselves before - massive losses still and they are paying bonus to the fat cats for fuck sake sack em. get it under the government.

if we dont wake up now then we are going to get to the point of no return and we will be a third world country.

whats the secret ? decent jobs and get rid of the fuckers that dont want to work or come here for benefit handouts - did you see the girl that had 11 bairns and was getting 50K a year - now thats net what would you need to earn to take home 50k ? and were paying that, she even has a horse....

why do we put up with ineptitudes and half hearted measures - you know why because we are firghtened of usetting the minorities - well maybe the najorities need to stand up to the government - maybe we need to say enough is enough and say that if you can run this country then you have no right to be where you are. Get out and lets get someone in that is tough and has the country interests at heart.

Start making cars again - start out industry and put tax on imports through the roof - make it impossible to buy a car from another country. Start ro throw money at our own industry - tax breaks and investment assistance.

Those corporates that avoid tax ? remove thier licence to operate in this country. Any company must be licenced each year and can only get the licence if they can prove that they have paid the right coporation taxes.

Employ someone and you get breaks for that - simply put make it hard for external companies to do what they have been doing.

Food - produced in this country or have dna checked and traced history, obtained from farms that operates to a BS applied legislation - so you are in romania and BS dont apply ? yeah go fuck yourselves you are trying to sell it in the uk then you need to adhere to uk rules or you wont be eligable, so the eurocrats start to bitch sorry cant hear them as were not in euroland now.

We are a large country we can work on our own and we can survive so lets do it - lets pull our resources and work internally and to hell with other countries. stop paying out and invest in our own on our own. look at the books we put out more than we get back. if we worked on our own then we could be very comfortable indeed - we could make it work.

So you dont need to be a multi millionaire to have a great life, a few grand a month would be ideal - its about time we started our own political party and said to hell with europe and to hell with immigration. Start up a reciprical agreement for that - if one wants to come in here from a country then one would need to go from here to that country - no one wants to then sorry its a toughie but you aint comming here.

Before you get benefits you must have paid in for at least ten years.....

You cant forget that we were once a great nation and what happend ? fucking stupid politicians thats what.......

Sadly the downgrading has been on the cards for years... and as a country the UK should not have been a tripe Also I think the downgrade is correct. This will make its way down to the man in the street and they will, as always, pay up and carry on, hoping one day their house will go back up in value.

If you stop and look at the UK over the last 20 years all that has really driven it was shopping, the city and cheap money for property... No one in power was concerned over it at the time so I don't think anyone should be too concerned now... its just life and your kids kids will pay up and clear the debt over the years.

RE Yvette Cooper re Balls... the word is she will be the first female Labour prime minister!

Regards from Triple A Switzerland!

William, you must be a big fan of North Korea then?

I think that's the ideal country in your eyes.

That's about as close to a police state as any diatribe I've read on here.

An interesting post...

"did you see the girl that had 11 bairns and was getting 50K a year - now thats net what would you need to earn to take home 50k ? and were paying that, she even has a horse."

I thought you were in favour of food self sufficiency.

"if we dont wake up now then we are going to get to the point of no return and we will be a third world country".

Have you visited a third world country, William? Britain 7th biggest economy in the world. Nepal - 3rd world country. They are different, believe me.

"Start making cars again - start out industry and put tax on imports through the roof - make it impossible to buy a car from another country"

Eight out of 10 cars currently built in the Britain end up on foreign roads as British-made cars are now sold in more than 170 countries. your import ban should spell the death knell of the British car industry and other countries we export to, reciprocate.

"its about time we started our own political party and said to hell with europe and to hell with immigration"

The party already exists. It is called UKIP.

"This country is fucked and were going to go through terrible unrest - the immigrants ? why should they be getting money ? put them out the country.Take a leaf from the aussies and how they deal with it"

The proportion of the Aussie population that was born overseas is 26%. The proportion of the British population that was born overseas is 12%.

"Before you get benefits you must have paid in for at least ten years...."

Don't you think the bodies of long term unemployed workers will clutter up the street? For instance, 1700 people including graduates, managers etc. applied for 8 full and part time jobs at a Costa Coffee shop in Nottingham for the princely sum of about ?7 per hour.

DJ. As a matter of interest (no pun intended) what will Nu Labor do to suddenly revive the economy, get a million or two back into work and get the high streets booming with someone other than coffee and phone shops?
No long winded socio political answers please, just a few simple fixes....

Good heavens - read this article about Switzerland, the latest member of the "sick men of Europe" group. My economic suggestions for Switzerland are as follows:

1. Build more cuckoo clocks.

2. Try developing a culture.

3. Concentrate less on whether the correct bin bags are being used for refuse collection.

4. Make the Swiss Guard uniforms available to buy over the Internet. I will take two for forthcoming fancy dress parties.



I am currently putting a food parcel together for the good folk of Geneva as a gesture of international solidarity.

Beef Ready Made meals okay?

I'm surprised you don't know this yourself. Have you been living in a whole in the ground for the last two and a half years?

The key components of a Labour party plan to revive the economy are as follows.

1. Unlike the Tories, stop terrorising the population by saying "We are just like Greece", sacking hundreds of thousands of workers, squeezing the life out of everybody but the rich so everyone is cutting back on expenditure and the economy is trashed. The remaining points are the Labour Party's plan

2. A ?2 billion tax on bank bonuses to fund a real jobs guarantee for all young people out of work for a year and build 25,000 more affordable homes.

3.Bringing forward long-term investment projects schools, roads and transport - to get people back to work and strengthen our economy for the future.

4.Reversing the Tory-led Government's damaging VAT rise. now for a temporary period - a ?450 boost for a couple with children - immediate help for our high streets and for struggling families and pensioners.

5.A one year cut in VAT to 5% on home improvements, repairs and maintenance - to help homeowners and small businesses.

6. A one year national insurance tax break for every small firm which takes on extra workers - helping small businesses to grow and create jobs.

Good to see your on the ball....

still think we get less out of the euro than waht we put in

whats wrong with N Korea ? streets are empty and the shelfs bare so no need for shopping....