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" however, regardless of that, whether DJ or yourself like it, Tony Blair took this country to war."

Given neither Spider nor I disagree with the above. I don't see your point in repeating this.

"You have no proof that the Tories would have done the same"

This is a statement of the bleeding obvious given that the Tories were not in power. Clearly we cannot have incontrovertible "proof".

All we can go on is the statements made in Parliament in the lead up to the Iraqi war and it was obvious in the speeches of Howard and Hague that the Tory leadership was as hawkish, if not more so, than Labour. Unlike the Lib Dems, for example.

"Thatcher invaded and recaptured the Falklands!, or did she? according to you reasoning she plainly didn't."

You are talking complete nonsense. End of!!!!!!

I repeat, neither Spider nor I are denying the Labour government took the UK into the Iraq war.

spider wrote:

> I don't think we will ever see a UK Government say "No" to the
> Americans ever again.


Or to the fucking EU / ECHR.

- Eric

I remember Wilson refusing to send British troops to Vietnam. As I was a squaddie at the time I had a vested interest and though I didn't much admire Wilson for skulking in the Board of Trade during the war when Jim and Denis were serving in uniform I admired him for telling the Yanks to metaphorically "Fuck off" After Borneo in Singapore I met many Yanks on R&R and to a man they wished that they had some professional backing. To which we would all say "Away to fuck Yank. Your war you sort it."
The Aussies and Kiwis sent troops as they perceived a communist threast to themselves. I think they lost a lot of men for nothing, except perhaps Jungle Training.