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"Both of whom took us into avoidable wars for their own political gain."

How could Blair have gone into the Iraq war for political gain?

He had a million people on the streets demonstrating against it from the very start and lost a great deal of support as a result.

You didnt get that with regard to the Falklands War did you? Thatcher had some of the worst ratings of any PM prior to the war. Yet after the sabre rattling in the Falklands she won the next election.

You cannot compare the two in terms of political gain.

You may disagree here but I think the last general election would have been closer had Blair run instead of Brown. We'll never know, of course, but Blair connected with people much better than Brown and Cameron. I think he'd have pulled a narrow victory out of the bag.

He could have also blamed Brown for the woes in the economy and sacked him. With Brown at the helm there was no one to blame as he was chancellor leading up to the recession. He was a sitting duck. Blair would have had a little more room for manoeuvre.

Your quotation Jim has a relatively modern resonance too; Leo Amery,
friend of Churchill, used it in a famous speech in the House of Commons
in 1940. In his case it referred to the Nazi appeaser, Prime Minister
Neville Chamberlain.

Oop North where I abide the last election was looking like a victory for Labor, even though their candidate was a wet lettuce from D'arn Sarf...local paper did a 3 way interview where he professed his admiration of VP Tony and voila he got stuffed!! In hindsight he has admitted in private to my Labor councillor colleague that it was the stupidest thing he ever did....

Wonder what he is charging Labor a day? ?5k? ?10k?

War? What is good for? My bank account! Edwin Starr feat VP Tony.

For the same reason as Thatcher. To divert attention from his policies and make himself feel good and be a chum to George fucking Dubbya.
People demonstrating meant fuckall to Blair.
He still doesn't get it either, musing that he would like another chance. What planet has this twatt been on since handing over to the idiot cyclops?
I think that if he had sacked Broon early on and got a decent Chancellor then the economy would not have turned out as bad as it has under Broon, and probably he would have won a 4th term. But, that's all conjecture.

RoddersUK wrote:

> Diamond, Cameron and Osbourne are small change compared to
> Thatcher and Tony B Liar, the bastard. Both of whom took us
> into avoidable wars for their own political gain. Bastards both
> !!
>
What makes me laugh is Blair claims to be a practicing Christian, how fucking typical! Isn't it always religious nutters who love waging war on others? They love sending other men's sons to die, never their own.

DJ simply can't spin his way out of this one, Blair is a greedy, warmongering, two faced, lying bastard! FACT!

Of course let's not forget that the jury of the Great British Public is still out on whether Blair ordered the killing of Dr Kelly. But I suppose Blair was doing, "God's work!" i still visit a couple of elderly life long Labour supporters in a home. If you want to watch these octoginarians foam at the mouth with rage, just say the words, "Tony Blair!"

Of course our New Labour "policeman" would simply brow beat them into submission with reams of, "Facts" whilst explaining to them, ever so kindly, the "Error of their ways". Of course if they still refused to submit, theres always waterboarding! Lol

In my opinion Blair is far worse than Thatcher. She never pretended to be anything but a bastard, but Blair hoodwinked the nation into thinking he was a, "Nice kind of guy". This is why he is so loathed by so many Labour supporters.

Our resident New Labour revisionist would forgive Blair anything on the basis of, "Our Tone only caused the collateral damage of thousands of Iraqis because they REFUSED to get out of the way of our bombs! Anyway as our Tone loved to say, these deaths were only, "Natural wastage!" and they probably read the Daily Mail! On the other hand, If the Tories had been in power they would almost certainly nuked Iraq and shot any survivors and probably started a worldwide nuclear war and now we'd all be dead!

So thank God our glorious leader showed the greatest restraint by only killing 100.000 or so INSTEAD OF MILLIONS which is what the Tories would have done!! This is why billions of Arabs demanded our Tone be given the job of Middle East Peace Envoy! I mean look at the amazing job our Tone is doing in Syria, they are actually fighting eachother to the death, because they want our Tone to run things there!!Three cheers for our Tone, hip hip hurrah!...."

Billions of Arabs seen praying for the return of our Tone, honest!

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I would rather hire Mr Paul Gadd as a child minder than let Blair anywhere near parliament again......what the chuff is Milliebland thinking....or was it the real Labor party leader aka Mrs Balls who called the warmonger back?
Look out Iran........

"For the same reason as Thatcher. To divert attention from his policies and make himself feel good "

You are completely missing the point.

Over the centuries, politicians have waged war overseas when the domestic scene is very much against them. They use the war to divert attention from all the woes at home.

This was true of Thatcher at the time of the Falklands war when she had one of the lowest opinion poll ratings ever and the recapture of the Falklands transformed her ratings.

This is NOT true of Blair who had already won two elections, trouncing the Tories and the financial collapse had not occurred and 99% of economists were not predicting it. So there was absolutely no need for Blair to divert attention away from domestic policy.

Either way Blairs decision to go to war in Iraq was an unforgivable disaster.

Despite me calling Blair a war criminal numerous times, you still peddle the same old, tedious lies, Jimbo.

You do it for two reasons:

1. You think you are "provoking " me. You aren't. I just laugh at you.
2. You think you are the only one on this forum "intelligent" enough to challenge me as opposed to all the other "bandwidth timewasters" on here who you utterly despise.

Anyone on here with two brain cells to rub together, got your number years ago

Mind, it is nice to have a tame !clown! on the forum though.

Carry on Airhead!

Broon a sitting duck.
William Hague once said of Blair at PMQs that it was like trying to nail jelly to a wall. With Broon they just took aim.
Broon is just an incompetent who is in way over his head whilst Tony B Liar is probably one of the all time wriggling lying greedy bastards.