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Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:31 am
by jimslip
Yes RGB the humble vacuum tube laughs in the face of EMP and in fact, I am told, some telecoms in the military employ modern valves as a defence against EMP arising from a stategic or tactical nuclear strike.

Unfortunately I am not sure they can be used as a serious backup for the failure of massive data systems. Maybe they use enormous reel to reel tape data recorders to do this?

This is what your home computer system might look like in the future, post Solar Flare or nuclear war!

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Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:06 pm
by william
Uncle Jim - I believe that may be a telephone exchange.....

Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:23 pm
by jimslip
No believe it or not it is in fact a "Computer". The telephone exchanges at the time were electro-mechanical, with Strowger switches and looked like this:

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Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:16 pm
by Lizard
No that's my first recording studio, a 22,000 bantam patch bay going into an early Neve console...ahhhh, happy day's


Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:01 pm
by william
Well its in all the papers - a junior tech in India......

when will companies learn ? if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Seems like a classic error indeed, and its not over yet ! by all accounts its going to take some doing to clear up the fall out.

Also be aware there are a load of false emails going around asking you to 'log in' from scammers... be very very carefull if you bank with them that you dont let the guard down.

Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:10 pm
by william
The computer glitch at the Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS.L - news) which left millions of customers unable to access their accounts could have been caused by just one junior technician in India, it was suggested last night.

The ?inexperienced operative? accidentally wiped information during a routine software upgrade, it has been claimed.

The member of staff, who was working on the programme for the Royal Bank of Scotland, NatWest and Ulster Bank, is believed to have been based in Hyderabad, India.

According to technology website The Register, at least some of the team responsible for the error were recruited in India following redundancies in the department in the UK.

Unions have already blamed the fiasco on the decision to outsource much of the company?s IT jobs , as Indian staff are paid as little as ?9,000, compared with ?50,000 their British counterparts were paid.


Stephen Hester, chief executive of RBS , said that there was ?no evidence? that outsourcing had caused the problems.

He said: ?The IT centre in Edinburgh is our main centre, it is nothing to do with overseas. Things go wrong. Things go wrong in technology.

?We have to learn the lessons from what went wrong here and try to make then less likely to happen in the future.?

The error is understood to have occurred after a software update froze part of the banks? computer systems last Wednesday, affecting 17 million customers.

Although the problem was resolved on Friday, it created a backlog of more than 100 million transactions that were not paid in or out of bank accounts as they should have been.

Deleted information then had to be painstakingly re-entered into the bank group?s computer system.

A source, who worked for RBS for ?several years?, told the Register an ?inexperienced operative? had made an error while performing the relatively routine task of backing out of an upgrade.

He said: ?When they did the back-out, a major error was made. An inexperienced person cleared the whole queue ... they erased all the scheduling.?

RBS have not yet commented on the claims.


The bank has already promised customers will be reimbursed for the cost of fines or late payment fees incurred as a result of the delays. Banking experts said that the cost to RBS of dealing with the IT problems, including extra staff costs as well as the money to reimburse customers, is already likely to be between ?50 million and ?100 million.

Mr Hester has also admitted that the bonuses of senior members of RBS staff are likely to be reduced because of the incident.

He said: ?All of us are judged in part by customer service, from me on downwards. And we should be.?

Earlier this year Mr Hester was forced to waive a share bonus worth ?963,000 after a public outcry and political pressure.

The Financial Services Authority said: ?We will expect RBS-NatWest to provide us with a complete account of the issues once this is fully resolved and to take any necessary steps to ensure that the risks of these problems occurring again are addressed.?

Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:35 pm
by spider
I wonder much the Royal Bank of Scotland were hoping to save when they transferred all these jobs to India?

I bet it was no where near ? 100 million.

That'll teach the F*ckers.

Hopefully all these customers of RBS and Barclays (after what they have been caught out doing today) will be looking for another institution to bank with as soon as they can.

Reminds me of this .....



I like the bit at 3:18 when Mr Capuano says "I don't have one single penny in any of your banks, not one single penny because.................."

This bloke is my hero. See him here


Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:20 pm
by RoddersUK
Puters work on RIRO.
They don't just go wrong. Someone somewhere has to press the wrong button.
Easy to blame some poor little Indian tech. He is the scapegoat methinks as it's easy to blame someone else, innit, eh?


Re: What a fuck up......

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:37 pm
by william
Yep computers are reliant and what they are told to do.....

The systems are carefully managed and ran pretty sweet from all accounts until this incident - All incidents are done in such a way that one error will not affect the process - all managed to follow a particular plan - on this occassion somehow the task didnt go to plan and in addittion to this the back up was corrupted...

Not easy to do if process was followed to the letter. something drastic went wrong here. be interesting to know what happened when the results of the investigations are released.