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I think the Liberal Democrats, will win the next election as things like raising the tax threshold and Julia Goldsworthy are sure vote winners, check it out mother fuckers...

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Whatever it is you're on send me some. I could use a larf.

Ok, ok, enough already!, so you all hate the Lib dems and Nick Glegg is a schmuck, yes I hear you! So perhaps someone can explain to me, how either the Tories or New Labour can be stopped from imposing a police state on us?

Or perhaps no one is bothered whether we live in a police state, after all as someone quipped, "If you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?"

It was red wine, Rodders it makes the world seem a better place, somehow!

Of course, Clegg is a schmuck. The fact that you still do not appear to have picked up on that after 2 years of the Lib Dems slavishly supporting the most right wing government in living memory is rather bizarre.

"So perhaps someone can explain to me, how either the Tories or New Labour can be stopped from imposing a police state on us?"

Again, you still haven't got it. Your question should be "how the Tories, Lib Dems or New Labour can be stopped from imposing a police state on us. The Lib Dems have stabbed their supporters in the back on so many of their long held political beliefs, why shouldn't they do the same over civil liberties?

If you are referring to the proposed communications monitoring bill, it is worth repeating that the Labour government dropped this bill after a consultation process, twice - the first time as a central database and the second time in a format similar to the one, Cameron was proposing recently. So at the moment we have no idea as to whether Labour would be in favour or against such a bill and will not know until the draft measures or bill are announced. If Labour state that they are against it, there may be enough Tory dissidents e.g. David Davis and Liberal MPs with a backbone (contradiction in terms, I know) to put off the government going down that route.

If you are referring to a broad, generalised comment about the police state, I suspect that one of the most significant developments in the last 5 to 10 years in Britain is single issue politics in which campaigning organisations such as UK Uncut and 38 degrees and campaigning newspapers such as the Guardian (phone hacking, NOTW), the Daily Telegraph (MPs expenses), Daily Mail (anything that in their view is part of the UK going to the dogs) have played a part. Everyone who is bothered should be involved in supporting their campaigns. So I guess it is a mixture of political opposition both inside and outside parliament. Given a 1 million demonstration against the Iraqi war changed nothing, no-one should be unduly optimistic, but if you do not try then that is the end anyway.

Can't argue with that. Got several bottles in the rack.

All the idiots who do not understand the consequences say that Jim.

I do believe that if New Labour had won another term with a large majority, they would have resurrected their Communications Monitering Bill with bells and whistles attached to it. They would have also dusted off their plans for ID cards. they would have also installed 10's thousands more CCTV cameras on anything you can attach a camera to and created thousands of jobs for people to monitor these cameras.

You say this government is "Right wing" but your New Labour were anything but Left wing, they arse licked and rubber stamped anything the City or Corporate Britain demanded. It was they that for 13 years maintained enormous tax loop holes for the mega rich to avoid paying any tax. It was they brown nosed the Yanks, to the point that they would have allowed the CIA to have their own chair in British courts if they were asked. It was they that opened our doors for the USA to come and cherry pick British subjects and have them removed to the USA for a "Fair trial".

Whatever the Tories are up to now, it was New Labour that laid the foundations of totalitarianism!

No I'm afraid I am far from convinced that your New Labour are actually, "Nice guys" now and we have nothing to fear from them. I believe in their own way they are as bad if not worse than the Tories, because the Tories are "Supposed" to be cunts, your New Labour are "Supposed" to be the good guys!

No the only way to stop either party creating a police state is for neither of them to win the next election outright and good old Cloggie bang in the middle keeping them at bay!

Yes you may all spit venom, bile and rage at me!Yes you may want to beat me to the ground with the souls of your shoes! Yes you may want to hack me into little pieces, dip me in Southern Fried crumbs, fry me and then feed me to the dogs!

But I expect a hung parliament is EXACTLY what will happen next election, except New Labour will not quite win. The electorate don't trust either party and they will just use the Lib Dems to keep them in check.

Very funny. Stupid, but funny!

If the presence of the LDs in the coalition get May's snooping attempts chucked out, then they will have regained a little bit of respect in my eyes.