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Lusting after killing people - moi? nah just want to even the score....

If convicted of murdering then you should be put down simples...

Oh and well you rise to the bait so nicely it would be a shame to let you down. keen fisherman that I am.

Pinch of salt required as id like to rub it in the eyes of those murders

They have been convicted, but the evidence was a small spot of blood, a few hairs and some fibres, as I understand it. The initial investigation had five suspects, now I think when the judge bangs his hammer and we're had an appeal that is not successful, things could change. Just suppose that Dobson who shouted "You have condemned an innocent man," is innocent, will he spill the beans and will any of the other 3 come forward if they are complicit in the killing?

It is a sad day all round and a bloody mess if you ask me!

number 6 wrote:

> Fantastic stuff,just wait for the brain dead racists to turn up
> saying they were fitted up.


Fantastic stuff full stop is what I think you meant type. Brain dead? Nah to easy.

Any way.....

As far as I can see,this case is just about on par with Jeremy Bamber with regards to evidence. Alot for and against the verdict and one that will no doubt be appealed several times.

So just curious why you were so certain of one partys guilt and certain enough to post a thread alerting us of a miscarrige of justice with the other?

surely not some thing as simple as:

I like you. Therefore you must be innocent

I dont like you. Therefore you must be guilty

You are the child of a Tory. Therefore you deserve to to die.

Don't bother replying. I don't care really. Just wanted a pop at you.

Hope you die soon

BB

That's better!

Those 2 blokes have been tried,convicted and sentenced in the media for the last 18 years so innocent or guilty there was no way they were going to walk this time.If they are the killers then its good that they are going to be put away but they seem to have been convicted on the flimsiest flawed DNA evidence.I now look forward to the MET police and other Police forces devoting the same amount of time,money and resources to solving ALL the unresolved murders over the last 20 years



Anyone remember Gavin Hopley?I doubt it,then again he was white.Nineteen-year-old Gavin Hopley and his two friends were making their way home to Rochdale after a night out in Oldham when they inadvertently wandered into the Muslim-dominated 'no-go' area of Glodwick and were chased and attacked by a gang of, at least, ten Muslim men and youths.

Unfortunately, though his two friends escaped, Gavin was cornered and brutally beaten by the gang with his head stamped on repeatedly by his assailants. After the attack, a kindly elderly Muslim lady called the emergency services and covered the unconscious teenager with a blanket. He never regained consciousness and later died in hospital.

Six men were eventually jailed for violent disorder and theft following the attack in February 2002 on Gavin Hopley, but no one has been successfully prosecuted for his murder

Or what about Richard Everitt?




On Aug 13th 1994, near King's Cross in London, an Asian gang were looking for a specific white boy with whom they were in dispute. When he could not be found, the gang spotted the figure of 15 year old Richard Everitt, who was not a fast runner. ?There?s a white boy? they shouted. He was targeted precisely because he was white. He was cornered and stabbed to death by a member of the gang. The actual killer escaped to a Commonwealth country in the Indian sub-continent.

These facts are not in dispute.

The killer may have returned to London under a disguised identity. When he is found, hopefully, he will be brought to justice. There must be no escape for racist killers.



There are no memorials to Gavin and Richard,,no community centres named after them,no prizes given in their name,no national media campaigns to find their killers.Then again they were white.Are white victims of racism as important as black ones?If so why havent the respective Police forces moved heaven and earth to find their killers?


Finally is a murder any worse because its racist?Is murder not bad enough on its own


Stephen Lawrence was outnumbered and stabbed to death but a lot of people seem more interested in the fact that some racist words were said beforehand

I'd have thought the 'nutter' jibe would have told you I knew what you were up to, and it was clear you weren't starting a serious discussion. Went over your head, though. A familiar feeling for you, no doubt !laugh!

Hey

Sorry it's hard to respond to things like this without the fear of being branded a racistdavey wrote:

> Those 2 blokes have been tried,convicted and sentenced in the
> media for the last 18 years so innocent or guilty there was no
> way they were going to walk this time.If they are the killers
> then its good that they are going to be put away but they seem
> to have been convicted on the flimsiest flawed DNA evidence.I
> now look forward to the MET police and other Police forces
> devoting the same amount of time,money and resources to solving
> ALL the unresolved murders over the last 20 years
>
>
>
> Anyone remember Gavin Hopley?I doubt it,then again he was
> white.Nineteen-year-old Gavin Hopley and his two friends were
> making their way home to Rochdale after a night out in Oldham
> when they inadvertently wandered into the Muslim-dominated
> 'no-go' area of Glodwick and were chased and attacked by a gang
> of, at least, ten Muslim men and youths.
>
> Unfortunately, though his two friends escaped, Gavin was
> cornered and brutally beaten by the gang with his head stamped
> on repeatedly by his assailants. After the attack, a kindly
> elderly Muslim lady called the emergency services and covered
> the unconscious teenager with a blanket. He never regained
> consciousness and later died in hospital.
>
> Six men were eventually jailed for violent disorder and theft
> following the attack in February 2002 on Gavin Hopley, but no
> one has been successfully prosecuted for his murder
>
> Or what about Richard Everitt?
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 13th 1994, near King's Cross in London, an Asian gang
> were looking for a specific white boy with whom they were in
> dispute. When he could not be found, the gang spotted the
> figure of 15 year old Richard Everitt, who was not a fast
> runner. ?There?s a white boy? they shouted. He was targeted
> precisely because he was white. He was cornered and stabbed to
> death by a member of the gang. The actual killer escaped to a
> Commonwealth country in the Indian sub-continent.
>
> These facts are not in dispute.
>
> The killer may have returned to London under a disguised
> identity. When he is found, hopefully, he will be brought to
> justice. There must be no escape for racist killers.
>
>
>
> There are no memorials to Gavin and Richard,,no community
> centres named after them,no prizes given in their name,no
> national media campaigns to find their killers.Then again they
> were white.Are white victims of racism as important as black
> ones?If so why havent the respective Police forces moved heaven
> and earth to find their killers?
>
>
> Finally is a murder any worse because its racist?Is murder not
> bad enough on its own
>
>
> Stephen Lawrence was outnumbered and stabbed to death but a lot
> of people seem more interested in the fact that some racist
> words were said beforehand
>
>

Hey

Sorry but one is almost scared to reply to some thing like this,because of the fear of being branded a racist.

But well said Davey.

Don't get me wrong. I hope to God they nail these two fuckers to the wall then set about the other three. But I do think alot of perspective has been lost here.

Cheers

BB

I think the difference is that it was well known who the killers of Stephen Lawrence were and they were free due to the incompetence of the police. If Stephen Lawrence's killers were never known (like Gavin Hopley's killers) then Stephen Lawrence's murder would just be another statistic.

If your beef is with media coverage then get enough people to complain to the media.

If you're wondering why community centres haven't been named after Hopley and Everitt then it might be because they are of a majority. What I mean by that is if you're part of a minority and one of you is murdered, then that community is more likely to pull together. Say you were part of a closely-knit group of other Brits living in a suburb of Rio de Janeiro. If one of your community was killed by one of the majority you'd feel it more than if it was a Brit killed in your community while you lived in Britain. I think a community centre being named after a Muslim/Black victim of a hate crime might be more likely because the community pull together as one and bring it about.

That's my theory, anyway.

If someone on an internet forum gets you to the point where you wish they'd die, then you have bigger problems than number 6!

Come on, BB, sort it out!

BeestonBoy, I feel I need to address your claim about the killing of the two white boys and just want to say this:

Racist killings, no matter the colour is wrong and no one case should be given priority over the other.

It makes me sick to feel anyone should be inflicted with violence or murder because of their colour. Its crazy to think a person is murdered because of the colour of their skin

The only reason why Stephen Lawrence is still in the media and why the case has gone as far as it has, has more to do with the persistence of his mother who has aggressively and painfully persued it and kept the case alive all these years.

Its taken the equivalent of Lawrences life time to get a conviction with these two guys and I think the victory is bitter sweet.

Personally I was banking on them being exonerated because I though tit was a show case to show something was being done. This case was just too high profile to go away easily

The police shouldve done their jobs right at the time. Not rely on flimsy forensic evidence by lab geeks 18 years later.

The police have let those two boys you mentioned down plain and simple. Just like they let Stephen Lawrence down.

Who is campaigning for justice for them? If no one is then thats testament to how selfish this society has become. Not favouritism because of colour. Who is fighting their corner?