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So even if all the "Facts" and "Figures" are all total bollocks, it doesn't matter if they are spewed out of the gob of a New Labour politician? The reason I said it was "peculiar", was because the spouting of facts and figures has always been a mainstay of dicatorial Socialist/ Commie governments since the Russian Revolution. They just love their OWN facts and figures, how many tractors have been made, how much wheat harvested, all bollocks of course, but it didn't matter, people used to be impressed. Everyone elses facts and figures of course are always incorrect! Lol

I'm afraid that thanks to 13 years of New Labour spin and crap, I'd say most people simply don't believe facts and figure spewing forth from Labour politicians, they just presume they are at best distortions and at worst downright lies.

The one person on QT who had it right was the American who said, whoever had won the last election would have made little or no difference to the whole pile of shit that is about to be dropped on all of us! He added in the light of this, why should one group of workers, ie the public sector, be ring fenced and protected from the fallout? Obviously a Daily Mail reader!

Good old David "Citizen Smith" Johnson is back in top form, you simply cannot understand how a person can function without being a puppet of some dumb newspaper or political party. Not everyone is like you David, some of us are able to form individual opinions that are not allied to anyone. This makes you very, very angry indeed, because in your indoctrinated mind EVERYONE MUST BE LABELLED AND CATALOGUED! You would have had a whale of a time in East Germany, they loved cataloguing people!

Check out this film, I think you'll love it and no, the guy with the headphones ISN'T the hero! lol

Extraordinarily well said, Mr Slater!

"So even if all the "Facts" and "Figures" are all total bollocks, it doesn't matter if they are spewed out of the gob of a New Labour politician? "

Can't you read English? Where did I state that in my reply?

The point is, are the facts that were quoted right or wrong? If he has made the "facts" up he should be slagged off as with any politician.

Surely if they were wrong, you would have read about these lies in the Mail?

!wink!

David said:

""City lawyer leaves job to make fortune as MP".

Nice one, Jimbo. Keep em coming!

I know what you mean David, That other well known city lawyer, Anthony Charles Lynton Blair has become quite destitute since giving it all up to become an MP!

I think Chuka is slick enough to think that the same riches await.

"I think Chuka is slick enough to think that the same riches await".

Ah hindsight is a wonderful thing.

So what is your argument Alex? Umunna, a wealthy City lawyer from a well-off family thinks....

"I am going to give up my very well paid job in the City, in order to become an MP at about 60K a year plus expenses so I can get slagged off regularly by the Daily Mail and give up any idea of having a private life.

I am taking this big pay drop because I know I am going to be Prime Minister. And then when I stop being Prime Minister, I am going to set up a consultancy company and write my autobiography".

Is that his thought process in becoming an MP, do you think?

Really?

CHeers
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Ok, with Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, I guess I did choose the upper level of the sort of wealth that can be achieved by becoming an MP!

But between entry level MP and for example Blair there is still scope to earn a lot more than his city lawyers salary.

I guess the bottom line is, do I think that Anthony Charles Lynton Blair entered politics thinking how best he could serve the working man, no I do not.

Do I think that Chuka Umanna has entered politics to see how best he can help his constituents, no I do not. Do I think that he has his sights set on earning as much as he can in any political position, be it MP or eventual cabinet minister or Prime Minister even, yes I do. This is of course, just an opinion, I do hope that I turn out to be wrong and that eventually with the passage of time, I am able to say David Johnson, you were right all along.

Let's just wait and see.

"But between entry level MP and for example Blair there is still scope to earn a lot more than his city lawyers salary."

Really? The only big step is to Cabinet Minister which comes with a salary of about ?135K including the MPs salary.

So lets think about this in a little more detail than "Do I think that Chuka Umanna has entered politics to see how best he can help his constituents, no I do not."

1. He left his job as a City lawyer. It is fair to assume that this job would have come with a very good salary and prospects.
2. He stood for election in 2010 at a time when Gordon Brown was about as popular as something you might inadvertently stand in. So unless he was a complete muppet it must have been obvious that his chance of rapid political promotion in a Labour government was unlikely.
3. So Labour loses the election which means that he will get ?65K plus expenses (heavily scrutinised expenses now!!!) for each of the next five years.
4. Shadow Cabinet Ministers get their MP's salary and no more.
5. So so far he must be a long way down on his potential earnings compared to being a lawyer and he has to contend with 80% or more of the press trying to bring him down.
6. It is not a foregone conclusion that Labour will be in power in 2016. They have not won back credibility on the economy. So there is a prospect of 10 years with no more than an MPs salary.
7. Presumably you might argue that he could get some backhanders from big business in line with his role as Shadow Business Minister but hey, do you really think that would be worth all the hassle for a guy who comes from a wealthy family and had a very good lucrative career as a City boy mapped out ahead of him?

No, I dont think so either.

Cheers
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