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Sam,
The Lib Dems are now in the Real World.

You and they cannot go on defending their actions by smearing the Labour party and concentrating on a few Labour MPs and the unemployed like John Reid etc coming out and speaking against an alliance with the Lib Dems. Just as Lib Dems said it would be very very hard to see a Lib Dem/TOry alliance. Just as Tories said it would be very hard to see a Tory/Lib Dem alliance.

As Bob rightly pointed out I suspect that there was a whole host of reasons why the "Rainbow Coaltion didnt happen"


The Lib Dems stand and fall by their decisions to get into bed with the TOries. THey have no one to blame but themselves for this decision

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Of course they stand by their decisions. I've not even implied otherwise. You, however, seem blindly supportive of the Labour party, even after it's obvious their promises of PR was just an attempt to stall talks. They never wanted PR because they're now part of the establishment. The Lib Dems might have partnered up, temporarily with the establishment, but they're not part of it.

Like I said, don't beat yourself up about voting Labour. You didn't know.

"The Lib Dems might have partnered up, temporarily with the establishment, but they're not part of it."

Err really Reggie?

"Like I said, don't beat yourself up about voting Labour. You didn't know."

I am proud that I voted Labour. I am proud that I didnt allow myself to be conned by the Lib Dems.

Unlike yourself who voted Lib Dem and ended up with most of the policies, Prime Minister and Cabinet Ministers from a party that you would rather eat your face off than vote for. This is what you cannot come to terms with apparently.

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Don't bring poor Reggie into this. You always seem to resort to this when you're angry, David. You'll be mimicking Adam Boulton next and jabbing the virtual finger into my chest screaming, "Don't tell me what I think!"

[quote]I am proud that I voted Labour. I am proud that I didnt allow myself to be conned by the Lib Dems.[/quote]

Yes, you keep telling yourself that, David. Naive and blind to the very end.

[quote]Unlike yourself who voted Lib Dem and ended up with most of the policies, Prime Minister and Cabinet Ministers from a party that you would rather eat your face off than vote for. This is what you cannot come to terms with apparently.[/quote]

Most, but not all. They've scrapped raising the inheritance tax and everyone won't pay taxes on their first ?10,000 earned. AV is only half way to PR but what can you do when you're party promised it and then took it away when the reality of maybe losing seats set in?

The Tories, at least, were straight with the British public from the start: No PR. Labour, cruelly gave people hope and then when it looked like it was going to be the dawn of a new, fairer democratic system, they took it away for personal gain. Like a cat toying with a mouse. We, the people, were that mouse.

"You always seem to resort to this when you're angry, David. You'll be mimicking Adam Boulton next and jabbing the virtual finger into my chest screaming, "Don't tell me what I think!"

I said
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I am proud that I voted Labour. I am proud that I didnt allow myself to be conned by the Lib Dems.

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Yes, you keep telling yourself that, David. Naive and blind to the very end.

Sam, read your messages in this and other threads. Over and over you tell me to calm down, stop attacking you and what's with the blood pressure. Do you not think you may be guilty just a little bit of what you accuse me of so often over the last few days?

"The Tories, at least, were straight with the British public from the start: No PR. Labour, cruelly gave people hope and then when it looked like it was going to be the dawn of a new, fairer democratic system, they took it away for personal gain. Like a cat toying with a mouse. We, the people, were that mouse."

I really really think we have all got the message about what your attitude is to PR and the Labour party's role in coalition negotiations.

Don't you?

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[quote]Over and over you tell me to calm down, stop attacking you and what's with the blood pressure. Do you not think you may be guilty just a little bit of what you accuse me of so often over the last few days?[/quote]

Do me, and yourself, a favour. Go back through all our debates and count how many times you've said 'you're confused', 'you don't get it', 'I know this is difficult for you but....' and similar instances of patronisation. Over the last few days I've just decided play you at your own game. And as for the 'blood pressure' jibe, I think I told you specifically it was just me teasing you back. It was a reassurance that I was playing around with you in case you took me seriously. You've not attempted any such assurances. Not that I'm overly sensitive to a little banter, I'm just pointing it out because you're bringing it up.

If you can't take it don't dish it out (said Cambell to Boulton).

I hope you understand my point. If you can't find the post where I said I was only teasing you let me know - I'll find it in a jiffy.

Dear Labour Supporters,
I'm afraid you've it up the arse, and very deep. Nevertheless, you might be right. Should the new government be as true as its words, it could become shortly very impopular. There's a whole problem with most of European countries by now. K?nzlerin Angela Merkel lost an important election this week end, mainly because she reluctantly agreed to pay for Greece. The European socialists love Greece. In France, a representative of the far left even spoke, with tears in his voice, of our "Greek brothers". What would have the Labour done with Greece? We can be sure that the Conservative will do nothing.
I was in London recently. The city was busy with all kinds of road works, building and the like, most of it, I suppose, for the next Olympic Games. The Athens Olympic Games probably contributed to ruin Greece, I do hope Britain has got a stronger back.
France is deeply in debt, so are many other European countries, with very few exceptions (The Netherlands?). The only rational answer would be to cut the expenses drastically. But would the peoples accept it? Probably not.

"If you can't take it don't dish it out (said Cambell to Boulton)."

All I want you to do is be aware that it is two sided dishing out and much of yours does not come with a "I'm only teasing you" as you suggest.

TIme to move on methinks

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[quote]All I want you to do is be aware that it is two sided dishing out and much of yours does not come with a "I'm only teasing you" as you suggest.[/quote]

Tell me where I suggest I go around telling you I'm only teasing 'much of the time'. I was clearly bringing up one post; I pointed out one instance where I tried to reassure you that I was teasing; and I mentioned that, for your part, you'd not taken the same amount of effort as I had to keep things light-hearted.

It's there in black and white, David. No implications, or hints that I'm talking of more than one post, telling you I was teasing. I don't know if you deliberately try and make out I'm dishonest and deceitful or you constantly misread a proportion of what I type during our debates.

But, you're right, it's time to move on. I just wanted to make that final point because what you said gives the wrong impression about my previous post.