"Poverty".

[jj]

If coupons are anything like the Means Test, then they won't [as the MT
didn't] work.
Many people are in the Black Economy and are better off that way.

[Deuce Bigolo]

Means tests are a joke and always have been
I know someone with a million dollars all tied up in assets who is on a pension

The only thing that can be said for the coupon system is its very hard to abuse it(although many would barter no doubt)as opposed to many in the hand

Everyone joining welfare should be given this website in a handbook

[c.j.jaxxon]

We have the same problem here in the U.S But I have to say you're half right and half wrong. When the built the "estates" here in Chicago in the 1950s it was suppose to be a temporary living place till you got a better apartment elsewhere but over the years up until the late 1990s it became a place to raise children and I may say, without the fathers living there thus the problem we have today with fathers not in the home. In other words the father was not allowed to live with the mother and children in these "projects" as we called them. Remember this: If you teach a man to fish, you feed a man for a lifetime.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]If you teach a man to fish, you feed a man for a lifetime.[/quote]

Only if he has no other choice c.j. Even a man who's been taught to fish, won't bother trying if other people will fish for him.

[c.j.jaxxon]

Yeah! I know. We call people like that "LAZY"!! I often said that you can't help people who won't themselves. I just don't think though that people are born lazy. It's a learned behaviour passed down to the next generation until someone breaks that cycle. It could be a teacher, a next door neighbor, etc to tell a student, or a mentor to tell a young boy or girl that you have to have dreams and to make them come true to make a way for yourself so you won't be poor in the future. But of course you have to teach the mothers of the young ones not to dash the hopes and dreams of the young ones by saying stuff like "you gon be just like your father, nuthin!" or "when you grow up get a man to take care of you!". I figure you can guess which young ones the mother is talking to. !teacher!

[c.j.jaxxon]

Thanks for calling him out on that. I guess I was trying to be nice about it BY intelligently arqueing his point but calling poor people "stupid" only shows his ignorance by not studying how they got there in the first place and his inablity to recognize his own stupidity for calling that which he may be himself even if he looked in the mirror. !pleased!

[Sam Slater]

I actually thought he was being sarcastic. Reading your retort, I re-read his post.

His first paragraph looks like definite sarcasm -it would be scary otherwise- but he seems more serious as he goes on. Hmmm.....

.....so since Simon Cowell is richer than Professor Dawkins, he's also more intelligent......!laugh!.......

In actuality, the more intelligent you are, the more likely you're to suffer from a lack of ambition, as less things challenge, or excite you. Maybe 'farmer giles' misses this phenomena?

[c.j.jaxxon]

An eye opener! Might be some truth to it as I've seen intelligence in the jet setters of jetsetters and the bummiest of bums (or the homeless to you)!

[Deuce Bigolo]

Then there are those that choose to lead a minimalist life

Their most likely to be asset poor but spiritually rich and most likely happy
Look at all those poor villages in Africa smiling like cheshire cats

The organsiation f.i.n.c.a
f.i.n.c.a has proved that when you give the poorest an opportunity to rise they take it with open arms