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If there's no need to bring in a racial aspect to "murder plain and simple", why are there a whole raft of crimes with heavier punishments for racially motivated crimes?

This murder was wholly motivated by race, as was Ross Parker's, another guy you never hear or heard anything about, whose girlfriend (my neice incidentally) was lucky to escape with her life. So pardon me for thinking that race crime is not only real, but being killed for the colour of your skin adds an edge to "murder plain and simple", whether the victim is black, white or whatever.

Like it or not, race is and has always been a motive for murder, but it fits in with a nice cuddly view of the world for some people to claim it's a one way crime. Not so.

If there's no need to bring in a racial aspect to "murder plain and simple", why are there a whole raft of heavier punishments for crime with a racial motive?

If this case was about 3 whites who'd murdered an Asian boy of 16 by torture, multiple stabbing, and then burning to death; and we were calling the white murderers 'racist thugs' who should be hanged etc etc.........

Would you have come into this thread calling us all intolerant?

Keith Rasputin wrote:

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Keith, I for one spent 5 years at university (4 years undergrad, 1 year postgrad) and I doubt I'm the only one here who did so, so you're the one displaying ignorance by assuming that none of us did.

And "in my day" it was "hip" and "clever" to be left-wing if you were a student:

You'd don your Italian Army surplus jacket and a PLO scarf to go on marches expressing "solidarity" with the Palestinians. You'd head for your university's Nelson Mandela bar (every university had either a "Nelson Mandela bar" or a "Nelson Mandela House" because that was fashionable as well) to listen reverently to guest speakers delivering anti-Apartheid diatribes while you downed several pints of cut-price lager. You'd espouse the view in philosophical debates with fellow students that it was - of course - NATO and those nasty Yanks who were solely to blame for the Arms Race (the USSR being, of course, a peace-loving Socialist utopia). You'd organise or at very least contibute to collections for the strinking miners during the year-long Miners' strike, and if you were a REAL radical, you'd stand outside the Students' Union at lunchtimes in mid-winter, freezing your bollocks off while trying to keep warm (once again in your Italian Army surplus jacket) waving "Socialist Worker" banners and generally looking like a sad twat.

That was true in the '80s and although I'm no longer close to the university life, from what I can gather there are still plenty of youngsters of the current student generation who are all full of piss and vinegar and think that it's clever and fashionable to be left-wing (most, however, do grow out of it in later years).


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On that point we are of one mind.

"aTo all of you who wheeled out the bitter middle-class-university graduate-Guardian-reader crap YET AGAIN show that you fail to realise that most students are likely to be boring and olde Tory in their views even for young people, certainly not radical in their views as you imagine".

Arse, your talking out of it!

This crime wasn't just racially motivated, it was blatently racially motivated.
As far as your student statement goes, I dont think student have ever been more radical, or allowed to be, but I agree about the boring bit!

When I applied to a university and had an interview way back in the early 80's this snooty prof speaking down his noise at me asked if the names John Berger or Susan Sontag meant anything to me? I answered in Greek and then in English asked him if my answer meant anything to him?

I was not offered a place and went abroad to get an education.

Keith Rasputin wrote:

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Trust me Keith, I wasn't "insulted". Nor was I trying to "boast" (given that there are most probably people on here with far more impressive academic qualifications than mine).

But if I was to sit down and draw up a list of people who I might actually think were worth trying to impress for any particular reason, you wouldn't even make the Top Million ... LOL.

- Eric