Hi Wendy,
Enjoyed reading your recently posted Dublin college speech. It was clear, concise and the the arguments you put forward on behalf of the porno business were elegant and simple. Sadly, human nature being what it is, even the clearest logic will never be enough to convince those that have decided, or been programed, to believe that pono is "exploitative" and/or "imoral". But what the heck, we?ll press on anyway.
With regard to your more recent comments.
The reason why most British girls only do a few videos is that, sadly, most of the girls on the British scene today are unprofessional slappers, with neither the looks, or brains to sustain a professional career. Over the past 6-7 years there has been a marked decline in the quality of girls coming forward to get into the business. Unfortunately, some well know British producers have been complicit in, if not actually encouraging this American trend, with the unfortunate result that they are slowly strangling the gooses that lays the golden egg. Allow me to elaborate.
10 years ago we had ?glamour models? girls who?s job it was to look delicious and desirable for photo shoots in the then booming top shelf men?s mag market. And as video became more prevalent, most of them dipped their toe into that pool as well. - I?m thinking of such girls as Louise Hodges, Misty McCaine, Teresa May, Vida Garmen, Gilly Sampson, Samantha-Jane, Charmeine Sinclair, etc, etc,. The were and still are professionals. When you booked them for a job they turned up on time with a big bag of glamourous outfits and an extensive makeup kit. And times were good.
But nothing ever stays the same. The magazine market changed driven by constant media hype and poncy middle class sniping the men's mag market split into what we know to day as ?Lads Mags? and more down market (cheap & dirty?) porno mags. Middleclass ponciness grew more prevalent and branded the old topshelf glamour mags ?exploitative? and the pornier mags were beyond the pale. Ordinary blokes could not say different because the middle class ponces controlled the means of expression - by and large they are the journalists who write all the magazine and newspaper articles, make the radio and TV documentaries and decide the editorial policy for virtually all the mainstream media. And since the 1968 ?Summer of Love? fissled out sex and porno have not been fashionable causes with the middle classes.
So, sales of ?Mayfair? ?Club International? ?Escort? etc, go into freefall giving W.H.Smiths the excuse to take them off their shelves therefore exacerbating the problem. With the result that the glamour girls didn't get that many jobs and as career prospects diminished and social pressures increased, very few quality girls come along to step onto the first rung of the glamour ladder. But that?s not all, the world is turning and we are approaching a pivotal moment in the history of world porn...
Over in the States a smalltime porno actor hits on the novel idea of getting one of those new fangled video cameras and using it himself to film top porno babes in simple no frills sex sessions round at his gaff, or round at a colleagues - no need to bother with all that lighting and crew, sex is sex, right? John ?Buttman? Stagliano?s idea takes off like a rocket, and to begin with it?s great, seeing your favourite porno stars in more mundane situations, as opposed to the big budget scripted movies that were prevalent at the time. Then the rot sets in - the other bigger producers find they can?t compete. This upstart is taking all their trade in movies that cost $100,000?s to produce with something that costs $5000! So what?s the solution? Regrettably, it was ?if you can?t beat um? join um?? And so begins the downward spiral of cost cutting, undercutting and eventual decline in the quality and content. This leads to oblivion. If sufficient profits are not made there is no money to reinvest in stars marketing and equipment. So the glamours professional porno girls with image, and invariably, there own fan clubs are slowly replaced by trailer park trash, generically characterised by plastic tits, pierced, tattooed, anorexic bodies and a numbness of spirit that results in their demeanour hardly altering as they ARE ABUSED by barrel scraping producers.
Of course this trend seeps across the Atlantic to Blighty where an enterprising chap has had the supremely audacious and original idea of coping ?Buttman!? And just like the original he gets off to an excellent start using some of Britain?s top glamour girls. But after 3 or 4 volumes he?s used all the decent girls up. The punters are clamouring for more, what is he to do? But hold on, there must be loads of girls on council estates thought the land that would be keen to earn a couple of hundred quid, I mean what else can they do? Not going to be able to be doctors or solicitors are they?...Hmmm.
So, the fate of the fledgling British adult video business is it seems sealed before it can take off. Maybe, maybe not. Anyhow, a few weeks back me and some producer pals held an open audition for new porno girls ?dahn in sarf Landan.? Of the 17 girls that said they would attend only 4 turned up, and one was a regular performer - a girl who one misguided colleague regularly promotes as ?a porno star? but who?s appearance I find distasteful. Anyhow, the long and short of it was that we were APPALLED by the quality of the girls, they were all fairly scrawny, saved and covered in tattoos. We were all in agreement that we would could never use any of them! I mean what are these girls thinking of - going along to a modelling audition covered in tattoos with pierced nipples! If we ever decide to make a movie about heroin junkie slags they would be ideal, but till then there?s nothing for them.
What is needed is to encourage a higher calibre of girl onto the business. Natural girls without ?attitude.? They don?t have to look like Claudia Schiffer, just have a good manner and no ?porno pretensions.? The girls are out there, I see them waking down the High St, serving me in the bank, what?s needed to encourage them is more money on offer and the business being promoted in the media at every opportunity. If porno can be lifted out of the gutter and made ?fashionable? it will take off like a rocket. But for that you need quality people that can?t easily be dismissed by the mainstream media.
The Insider.
Inside Information
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woodgnome
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what a pathetic, class ridden, misogynistic old fart you are! please piss off, with your offensive views about women who don't meet your classy standards and leave the rest of us barrel scraping, council estate dwelling, scum suckers to shoot up in our lice infested homesteads, while we dribble over the sorry 'slags' who put out for ben dover and his wretched ilk.
'slappers', 'trailer park trash',' girls on council estates ', 'slags ' - what a wanker!
'slappers', 'trailer park trash',' girls on council estates ', 'slags ' - what a wanker!
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woodgnome
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linsey dawn mackenzie claimed in an interview on playboy tv the other night, that no adult entertainment performer was able to extract pleasure from the experience! as far as she was concerned it was purely an exploitative process - i.e. her exploitation of men.
my gut instinct is that this is rubbish. why, apart from excessive interference on the part of the director/producer would the presence of a camera make sex inherently a joyless, mechanical process?
as you say, for you the camera is an essential component of the "performance".
would you say that LDM's comments are commonplace among girls in the biz or do they tend towards your own viewpoint?
my gut instinct is that this is rubbish. why, apart from excessive interference on the part of the director/producer would the presence of a camera make sex inherently a joyless, mechanical process?
as you say, for you the camera is an essential component of the "performance".
would you say that LDM's comments are commonplace among girls in the biz or do they tend towards your own viewpoint?
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charlie
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Hi Wendy
Many thanks indeed, so informative. You're brilliant!
It confirms my very worst fears about how little the girls are paid. It is a disgrace. Any ideas on how it could be improved?
Charlie.
Many thanks indeed, so informative. You're brilliant!
It confirms my very worst fears about how little the girls are paid. It is a disgrace. Any ideas on how it could be improved?
Charlie.
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Phil McC
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Please calm down you lot, Wendy will get upset.
I have been this industry 20 years more than most so I guess I should have a valid opinion.The reason Insider has his opinions I fully understand so he may well be a raving nutter(and I know him)but what he says has a load of truth. When he says girls used to turn up ready to do the job full of spirt etc he is right they would have bags of props, clothes & make-up. Very few do now. Council Estate girls most were but the difference was they spent the time making themselves look good which made the producer happy and then in turn reflected in the production and obviously made it beter for the punter.
Let me give you my ideal senario...Take a pretty girl who is plain, use make-up and clothes to create a sense of class, make her look like the girl in the bank who would never do anything. Then, when you have acheived this gradually introducer her to her sexual self, massage then maybe a vibro? then possibliy a guy all very slow, will she won't she have sex ? she will o but she is tight but after a short time she becomes real horny and wants to lead she has never done anal but she will try and it hurts but then she likes it and now she wants to try everything double penetration, what-ever and to end it all she must taste the cum a spead it over herself.
How many guys want a wife who will fuck like that but in the morning make them breakfast and take the kids to school.
So whats the moto "some people can be in the gutter and only see the shit, but others can still see the stars".
This industry will change trust me I am really trying but the problem is as Insider said Gonzo is so popular why bother spending time and money on anything else. I have put Violet Storm on a new exclusive contract and I will make her a real UK porn Star she will meet you all and hopefully you will like her and encourage her. I have her site up later this week and yes its a membership site like everyone elses but it only pays the bills.
I am planning all new Fuck Truck series for The Adult Channel and I will bring the hard versions out much quicker on video/DVD's Wendy has agreed to appear so has some other well known girls.
Your Devoted Servant,
Sorry for spelling
Phil McC
I have been this industry 20 years more than most so I guess I should have a valid opinion.The reason Insider has his opinions I fully understand so he may well be a raving nutter(and I know him)but what he says has a load of truth. When he says girls used to turn up ready to do the job full of spirt etc he is right they would have bags of props, clothes & make-up. Very few do now. Council Estate girls most were but the difference was they spent the time making themselves look good which made the producer happy and then in turn reflected in the production and obviously made it beter for the punter.
Let me give you my ideal senario...Take a pretty girl who is plain, use make-up and clothes to create a sense of class, make her look like the girl in the bank who would never do anything. Then, when you have acheived this gradually introducer her to her sexual self, massage then maybe a vibro? then possibliy a guy all very slow, will she won't she have sex ? she will o but she is tight but after a short time she becomes real horny and wants to lead she has never done anal but she will try and it hurts but then she likes it and now she wants to try everything double penetration, what-ever and to end it all she must taste the cum a spead it over herself.
How many guys want a wife who will fuck like that but in the morning make them breakfast and take the kids to school.
So whats the moto "some people can be in the gutter and only see the shit, but others can still see the stars".
This industry will change trust me I am really trying but the problem is as Insider said Gonzo is so popular why bother spending time and money on anything else. I have put Violet Storm on a new exclusive contract and I will make her a real UK porn Star she will meet you all and hopefully you will like her and encourage her. I have her site up later this week and yes its a membership site like everyone elses but it only pays the bills.
I am planning all new Fuck Truck series for The Adult Channel and I will bring the hard versions out much quicker on video/DVD's Wendy has agreed to appear so has some other well known girls.
Your Devoted Servant,
Sorry for spelling
Phil McC
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alec
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I wouldn't go as far as woodgnome, but this post does reveal prejudices rather than preferences. Certainly the girls vary in beauty and refinement, but so do the tastes of the punters. We all have our preferences and features which we consider minus factors. In my case I prefer not to see tattoos, piercings and, in real life, use of cigarettes, but there are girls whose beauty and personality far outweighs their possession of these minus factors. I won't name any names - my tastes are revealed in some of the reviews on this site.
As to gonzo I would comment that in the famous British gonzo series referred to there have been spectacular girls in recent releases as well as in the earlier ones. And as to budgets I would point out that it is possible to create scenes with erotic scenarios without huge budgets and would point to the Cameo Collection series as examples. Expensive costumes and sets and so-called plots which imitate action trhillers, e.g. Flashpoint, do not necessarily result in something erotic. This is much more likely to result from good writing (I don't mean 100-page scripts here) and direction.
As to gonzo I would comment that in the famous British gonzo series referred to there have been spectacular girls in recent releases as well as in the earlier ones. And as to budgets I would point out that it is possible to create scenes with erotic scenarios without huge budgets and would point to the Cameo Collection series as examples. Expensive costumes and sets and so-called plots which imitate action trhillers, e.g. Flashpoint, do not necessarily result in something erotic. This is much more likely to result from good writing (I don't mean 100-page scripts here) and direction.
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Callipygea
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Top shelf magazine sales in the UK declined for the simple reason that Customs started permitting the import of much harder American magazines. These were sold at relatively low prices because they were past their American shelf life date. (All American magazines have to have a date on them.)
The decline of the top shelf mag has had little to do with the quality of girl coming into the glamour/porn markets. As the top shelf has declined, so the internet has taken off, and there is as great a demand for pretty girls to photograph as ever. However, at the same time, the rise of the pole dance clubs has provided an alternative opportunity for attractive exhibitionists, and changing attitudes to morality have led to more girls being prepared to enter prostitution, which pays very well at the top end.
In my view you will always get what you pay for, and while girls are paid so little to appear in hard core it is inevitable that the quality of performer will not be high (apart from those who are in it for its own sake). Bear in mind that this is a relatively affluent country with low unemployment. Perhaps we need a recession.
I bet if Insider were offering ?1,000 to ?2,000 per day he would have had a better response. And if he paid more attention to the logistics of how to market his product, he might be in a position to pay properly.
Regards
Callipygea
The decline of the top shelf mag has had little to do with the quality of girl coming into the glamour/porn markets. As the top shelf has declined, so the internet has taken off, and there is as great a demand for pretty girls to photograph as ever. However, at the same time, the rise of the pole dance clubs has provided an alternative opportunity for attractive exhibitionists, and changing attitudes to morality have led to more girls being prepared to enter prostitution, which pays very well at the top end.
In my view you will always get what you pay for, and while girls are paid so little to appear in hard core it is inevitable that the quality of performer will not be high (apart from those who are in it for its own sake). Bear in mind that this is a relatively affluent country with low unemployment. Perhaps we need a recession.
I bet if Insider were offering ?1,000 to ?2,000 per day he would have had a better response. And if he paid more attention to the logistics of how to market his product, he might be in a position to pay properly.
Regards
Callipygea
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Funky Spingers
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Hi Wendy,
you seem to have initiated some sort of mass debate here. Not for the first time either. I was watching British Sluts 2 the other day and ended up "mass debating" several times
On a slightly more serious note though:
The inability of people to differentiate between the professional requirements of pornstars and their personal lives is depressingly obvious. I've never met a pornstar, but I have spoken to strippers and lap dancers. They also get tagged with the "she gets her kit off so she must be a right old slapper" label by men (usually) who have paid money to see them perform.
It's disrespect borne out of hypocrisy and inadequecy.
That's my 2 cents worth!
Funky
you seem to have initiated some sort of mass debate here. Not for the first time either. I was watching British Sluts 2 the other day and ended up "mass debating" several times
On a slightly more serious note though:
The inability of people to differentiate between the professional requirements of pornstars and their personal lives is depressingly obvious. I've never met a pornstar, but I have spoken to strippers and lap dancers. They also get tagged with the "she gets her kit off so she must be a right old slapper" label by men (usually) who have paid money to see them perform.
It's disrespect borne out of hypocrisy and inadequecy.
That's my 2 cents worth!
Funky
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Phil McC
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It's disrespect borne out of hypocrisy and inadequecy.
Totaly agree I think to make a girl feel special for even an hour is cool, pornography is not about money its about sex surely you would prefer to see a smart dressed middle aged woman flash her stocking tops in a bar to you and make eye contact than pay for a lap dance.
Radical or what ? why do guys feel so shity about telling it like it is ?. Pornography is the last area where a nobody can have a freedom of speach and expression try and get me to shut up about it and I am sure I will have an army of likeminded self abusers taking up arms and I am only a former bank driver from Larky who obtained a stills camera and went to work.
Phil McC
Totaly agree I think to make a girl feel special for even an hour is cool, pornography is not about money its about sex surely you would prefer to see a smart dressed middle aged woman flash her stocking tops in a bar to you and make eye contact than pay for a lap dance.
Radical or what ? why do guys feel so shity about telling it like it is ?. Pornography is the last area where a nobody can have a freedom of speach and expression try and get me to shut up about it and I am sure I will have an army of likeminded self abusers taking up arms and I am only a former bank driver from Larky who obtained a stills camera and went to work.
Phil McC
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woodgnome
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Of the 17 girls that said they would attend only 4 turned up, and one was a regular performer - a girl who one misguided colleague regularly promotes as ?a porno star? but who?s appearance I find distasteful.
this wouldn't be a dig at your good self and violet, by any chance?