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im afraid i dissagree with fox hunting we have a family of foxes on my estate they are very tame one night at midnight 1 was sitting on top of a car.Autumn wrote:

> Forgot to put its EJ, Autumns husband.
> I'm pro hunting and indeed went out on Friday morning.
> We don't care what people think of us or what they say, we will
> continue to hunt.
>
> EJ

Aw, how nice & cuddly.
We had a local TV report recently featuring a nice lady with 3 kids all under the age of 5. They had a family of foxes living under their garden shed. Nice lady put out food & snacks for the nice tame foxes so the kiddies could watch them.
One day kiddies were having a tea party in the garden. Nice cuddly fox jumps into youngest kiddies buggy & grabs the food from kiddies mits, scratching his face & lip, scaring the others in the process!
Suddenly, hate filled Mummy is demanding the local council "do something", "anything", to rid her of these dangerous pests! "Don't care what they do to them she bleats, gas them, poison them, shoot them, just get rid of them".

Strange how emotive a subject foxes are!

personally I don't see it as an emotive subject, if the fox is a pest kill it, simple.
The problem I have is turning the killing of an animal into a sport, killing for fun in my opinion isn't right.
The last time I looked we lived in a democracy, and the majority agree we me and want it banned. The issue of non hunters don't understand is a non issue. It's the simple fact that killing something should not be a sport, this is why cock fighting, dog fighting , badger baiting, are all generally agreed to be distasteful, fox killiing is no different

Amen to that.

The majority in Germany thought HItler was right back in 1935. The majority arn't always right!

EJ.

Get your facts straight.

In 1932, with Germany close to anarchy, Hitler's career approached its crisis. He narrowly lost to the incumbent Paul von Hindenburg in the presidential elections in April, and the Nazis polled their highest vote (37.2%) in the July elections. In the November elections, however, the Nazi vote decreased to 33.1%. Hitler had lost prestige through his stubborn insistence on "total power; the party was psychologically and financially exhausted; and the depression was beginning to wane. At this moment, a conservative group led by former Chancellor Franz von Papen arranged for Hitler to enter the government. On Jan. 30, 1933, the aged President Hindenburg appointed him chancellor in a coalition government with the conservatives.

Mart

squirrels are pests too they mess the crows nest up.

I like facts to be truthfull & correct.
This is taken from the submission of the group of 427 members of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons who must be considered second to none in professional expertise who submitted evidence to the Burns Inquiry subsequently expanded and posted on their web site.
Foxhunting
Paragraph 10 - considers the control of fox numbers only from the point of view of the benefit to man and his livestock. Clearly it should also include the welfare of the fox. Thus, we propose the following rationale for fox control:

The fox is virtually without natural predators in Britain, other than man. The natural death of such a wild animal will occur by starvation, disease or injury, none of which can be considered humane.
If numbers of foxes are not controlled there will be progressive and increasing predation on vulnerable farm animals and wildlife.
Overpopulation has a detrimental effect on the health and vigour of any animal species, particularly in respect of disease. This may already be seen with the steeply rising numbers of urban foxes, many of which now suffer from endemic mange. Epidemics of mange are also seen in rural foxes.
Mange is one of several diseases that are transmissible from foxes to man and domestic pets. Rabies is another, although the risk is minimal. More important are several parasitic diseases that could become more common with the travel of domestic pets between the UK and continental Europe. For example, infection with the gut tapeworm, Echinoccus multilocularis, which is common in European foxes and which can be fatal in man.

In our opinion hunting is the natural and most humane method of controlling foxes for a number of reasons:

Wild animals are used to hunting or being hunted. It is part of their daily life.
The wild animal remains in its natural environment at all times.
Quarry that evade hounds rapidly return to normal behaviour.
For the major part of any hunt the quarry is under no particular stress.
Stress in the final short stage is equivalent to no more than strenuous exercise.
Neither wild nor domestic animals appear to have any premonition of death.
The kill, brought about by cervical dislocation or by massive crushing of the thorax, is almost instantaneous and above all certain.
Stress analgesia induced by opioids released in the central nervous system will mitigate or eliminate any pain.
Hunting produces no wounded or damaged survivors.

"At no point did the Committee conclude, or even attempt to conclude, an assessment of cruelty. Yet many bodies have erroneously - I repeat the word erroneously - quoted the Burns report, stating that it clearly demonstrated that the practice of hunting wild animals with dogs caused cruelty. The report did not state that".

So since a ban is patently NOT one of animal welfare what it is?

427 Vets. Out of how many in the UK.? Employed by the hunts?
Any way forget the arguments, Parliament has decided.

Mart

Personally I am disgusted and ashamed. But I'm not talking about the fox hunting.

The issues around Blair's pay-off to Labour back benchers for their support on earlier issues, pushing the debate through the commons in a single day, and the threatened abuse of the Parliament Act are all a flagrant breach of democracy.

I think the issue is a complex and emotive one, for example the reported 20,000 dogs that will have to be put down as a result of this legislation, but while the parliamentary process is being bastardised in such a way there is no way I would support a hunting ban or any other issue that would be pushed through this way.