Is British Porn / Adult Getting Too Strong?

[Trumpton]

Ah, this old chestnut.

Remember the women who appear in these movies could have said 'NO' at any stage. Were they literally forced into it? Were they forced into being brutalised on camera?

Women who perform in porn do it as a job - they're paid (handsomely in many ways). For them it's not about morality - it's all about improving their financial well-being.

Additionally, many women who do porn are augmenting their main 'career' which is an activity for which I am forbidden to impart details.

[RobTay]

Missing the point Trumpton, it is not simply the women being paid to do this, it is the content being created and set out there for the end user as the norm, it has gone too far that this is presented more & more frequently, there is zero eroticism or senuality in a woman being face f*cked until she pukes, called a f*cking cheap c*nt of a wh*re. How many ''models'' or actresses really get into the Adult / Porn industry hoping that this is the work they get, the problem is the producers are presenting them this, people like Jimslip's site are a rarity & that is a shame, I am truly glad his sites are making money, because he deserves it.

There are too few like Jimslip & way too many sites nowadays that wish to show both verbal & physical brutality to a model. Think of it this way, if we continue in the same vein, as in how much harder content has got over the last 20 years, where the hell will it be in 20 years.

[one eyed jack]

Interesting thread

It seems we have come full circle again.

Just a few years ago there was a producer who posters traved on about here and championed the cause of being "the hardest" to come out of the UK which cued a lot of derision for those turning out vanilla porn.

Anything short of gagging, screaming and throttling were considered boring.

I'm glad to see I've weathered all that but thats the thing with couples, they can be all that and then some with their passions. Some are shy. Some are even boring but they are always what they are.

I hear its the producers to blame but sometimes I've noticed that performers think this is the norm to put on a spectacle to appear to be good or at least mimic their favourite kind of porn

Its a grey area as I dont think everyone that partakes in this aggressive kind of porn hates women but I can understand why some will arrive at that conclusion by appearances which are not always what they seem

[one eyed jack]

Traved? I meant to say raved but I'm sure you figured that out

[jimslip]

The greatest training as a director that I got was making softcore for TVX for many, many years. You learn the power of evoking a response from the viewer rather than slamming the viewer in the face with a sledgehammer. You learn the power of unfolding a story and no I don't mean the 2 pizza delivery boys knocking on a 26 year old "MILF'S" door saying, "YOU WANT DP WITH ME AND MY HUNKY FRIEND? YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A VERY OLD UGLY WOMAN AND DESPERATE FOR THE SEX MIT HUNKY BODY BUILDERS, LET US IN YOU FUCKING WHORE AS VEE WISH TO RAPE AND SODOMISE YOU, IST GOOD YA?"

The morbidly obese director nods approvingly and putting down his giant Bratwurst in a roll, shouts, "HEY BOYS I THINK YOU SOUND A BIT TOO ROMANTIC! PLEASE JUST ADD THE LINE, "VEE WILL THEN HURL YOU IN ZEE SWIMMING POOL VEN WE HAVE FINISHED ABUSING YOU!"

Many porn producers are stuck in a "Porn paradigm" from which there is no escape. You are on a spiral to make things harder and harder and of course you are doomed as someone will be always harder than you. When you make your scene with a girl doing double anal and double mouth, someone else will be lowering in a pair of double amputees on a winch into a similar scene, so he can get a double anal, double pussy and double mouth! He will proudly announce, "VEE ARE ZEE HARDEST IN PORN, BOW BEFORE US YOU FOOLS, VEE ARE THE KINGS OF HARDCORE!"

Then before you know it, some other producer does the same thing except this time he brings in a chorus of body builder studs to urinate from a floor above all over the sextupled scene culminating in them tipping a huge vat of custard all over the performers below and then absailing down on ropes holding whirring chainsaws to join in the mayhem! "NOW I AM ZEE FUHRER OF HARDCORE PORN!" screams the mysogynist director.......... and on it goes.....

And the viewer will be watching, yawning and saying, "What a bag of shite, hey, I'll look at this sexy bird playing with herself instead, looks like more fun!"

I'd have to agree, jimslip is probably getting softer NOT harder and the stories are getting longer and more interesting and involved. The main thing is everything is about the girl, I am irrelevant apart from being a dick on stilts!

Who knows what the future might bring, maybe in the end I will be making a VERY, VERY soft core version of, Mary Poppins or should I say Mary Poppsitin, where virtually nothing happens at all! lol

[EssJay]

I guess that most of us who subscribe to this forum will be in favour of freedom and artistic license for consenting adults. However, it is the spiral concept of the hard and brutal becoming the de facto standard for porn that is worrying.

We do not need to see every model doing b/g - it is their choice what level they will happily work to. But it does not stop there - they will then perhaps find the need to do anal, dp and more so that the producers feel they have a banker product that will satisfy the whole market. Add to this the aggressive "You are fucking slut" approach that seems to permeate everything instead of being the small niche it surely is. And why has spitting become so commonplace? It is a complete turn-off to me.

I am completely in favour of a more erotic approach as embodied by sites like X-Art and am in full agreement with the sentiments expressed by JimSlip - hopefully your site is successful Jim in addition to the satisfaction (!) you get from making the videos.

It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of models, too.

[one eyed jack]

Theres an article this month in ETO mag about the resurgence of softcore as a viable alternative

Anyone who knows whats going on in mainstream knows that certian hard core acts have been include din art films passed by the BBFC, films like, 9 Songs and Q, The Bunny Game was rejected for obvious reasons as it involves the kidnap and repeated abuse of a truck driver and his young female prey

[RobTay]

Would love to hear the thoughts of Models on this too Essjay

[jimslip]

It's funny how porn producers will levy the blame on the abuse of the models, on the models themselves, ie, "She was gagging for it, she loves being slapped around a bit and gobbed on!" Whether this is true or not, is irrelevant, just because a girl gets off on being abused, doesn't somehow indemnify the producer for filming said abuse. It does not absolve him from having maybe encouraged abuse to take place as a result of his work being viewed by some would- be nutter.

I love and cherish the girls who unashamedly do porn, why on Earth would anyone wish to abuse, belittle or admonish them? They should be celebrated and adored!

Calling models whores, spitting on them, strangling them and depicting the rape of them, in my opinion, drifts into the crazed, psychotic, world of the Yorkshire Ripper and other sick psychopaths, who choose to rape and murder girls who they consider to be "whores". Except they always blame God for their actions and of course their victims!

I refuse to believe that the average porn consumer longs for porn that depicts the violent abuse of women.

[one eyed jack]

I think I'm the only other producer commenting on this thread...Are you alluding to me Jim?

If so please re read my contributions as I dont see any other producer on here commenting

I havent heard any producer say this:

"It's funny how porn producers will levy the blame on the abuse of the models, on the models themselves, ie, "She was gagging for it, she loves being slapped around a bit and gobbed on!"

All I can say is that its down to what producers want to shoot and whether the models agree to it. You are entitled to your opinon of course as long as its based on fact.

My take on what you have said is based on what models have told me. I let everyone tell their own story. I don't mince their words

Therefore I implore you not to mince mine