The problem with UK porn

[Officer Dibble]

Forget about 'performances' Terry. Good porn is simply the visual representation of people having sex. Real sex, just like they normally would. Nothing more. If you start talking about ?performances? you are talking about something else, something synthetic, artificial, bogus ? the kiss of death to eroticism. It?s like adding an alkaline to an acid ? it neutralises it. You must remember that our sexual triggers and ques are hardwired into us. Start veering into areas where nature didn?t intend (I mean of course ? bukkake, cream pie, quadrupal anal, ATM, gagging, spitting and all that other nonsense) and you find that what you are doing is totally irrelevant and superfluous, as far as sex and sexuality are concerned - i.e. it?s not stimulating or sexually exciting, and consequently people will lose faith 'n' interest in it. Shit, they might even start posting negative comments on forums like this about how crap porn is nowadays, and Brit porn in particular. Imagine that.

So forget about performances, performances in relation to porn are esoteric things that are only of any relevance (if relevance they have) to porno trainspotters like us. People on Civi St never, ever, talk about performances in relation to a shag movie. They take it as read that the protagonists are not giving ?a performance? they are simply having a shag, which is all well and good. There is no need for a performance in this instance. If you interfere or, as it were ?screw around? with the act of shagging you risk jettisoning it?s primeval potency.

I would agree that almost every Brit performer nowadays needs to brush up their ?straight? acting performances. Like you say Tel, if you?re going to make a proper film (with fucking) you need quality people who can act a bit. I?m always awed looking back at some of the 80?s and early 90?s American features at how well the performers are acting. I sometimes think I?ve picked up a straight film by mistake! Those films can also teach us a thing or to about the visual representation of sex. They had it sussed back then. Most of the fuck and suck sessions were based on real life scenarios about shagging the lady next door, the sexy nurse down at the doctors, the policewoman, the hitchhiker. And although the actors were playing a part, the sex was real. Real sex, like real people have, in the real world. Not the idiotic ?nasty sex? (to use a crap American term) that has been INVENTED by the Evil Angel mob and badly copied by small-time Brit producers. The problem with ?nasty sex? is simply that it isn?t sex.

Porno has become routine and banal. Sex has become routine and banal. There?s far too much of it about now and it?s mostly low calibre stuff. There is no way you can make a good porn film with a skinny, chavy, chaver who takes a triple anal with the nonchalance of one who is checking for spots in her car?s rear view mirror, and that seems to be where we?re at, at the moment. As for ?being grateful for seein? ?em naked? - Ha! I?d give ?em a fiver just for ?em to keep their togs on!

Cheers,


Officer Dibble

[Rude Boy]

"I still feel the prformers themselves can learn from the best thats out there and consider why they are the best for whatever reason and apply that to their own modus operandi. For professionalism and initiative though, I rate the europeans very highly."

VERY interesting. It occurred to me while I was out in Budapest last month that a new model who REALLY wants to get on and do well could learn so much from looking at the East European Superbabes either in stills or video as they are SO fucking awesome. I thought some of the top girls here were really good and they are but once I started shooting with the likes of Mia Stone, Sophie Moone and Mya Diamond it quickly became clear that they are in a completely different league altogether. I know models like this are off to a good start because they are spectacularly good looking but they are absolutely shit-hot at hitting the poses and the facial expressions and all the other aspects of being a "Model."

Likewise it's up to people in my position to look at the work of Suze Randall and Viv Thomas and aspire to that level of quality.

I don't know who the classic Videographers in the adult sphere are..."Private" I suppose!

[Deuce Bigolo]

Thanks for the tip

I'll file it away for future reference

To be honest Belladonnas not really my cup of tea

Maybe when its in the bargain bin in 2 years time I might be tempted
God knows the titles only seem to last a couple of years at full price before some company is trying to throw them away

cheers
B....OZ

[Officer Dibble]

"I know models like this are off to a good start because they are spectacularly good looking but they are absolutely shit-hot at hitting the poses and the facial expressions and all the other aspects of being a "Model."

You're talking about proper models now Rudey. Quality girls who are in touch with their feminine side. They understand their sexuality and it's power, revel in it, and are well aware of how to deploy it to maximum effect. If a girl has these qualities she doesn?t even need to be a stunna to be successful. Sadly, these are now alien qualities in Brit birds - due to the last decade?s super-naff cultural cocktail of political correctness, tabloid celebrity bollocks, ?Big Brother? and the loss of respect for anyone or anything anymore. But it?s encouraging to hear that the Continentals retain their 'Old Europe' class and style.


Officer Dibble

[kym]

oh yeah i enjoyed that day,

but i agree if some of the producers will just let us get stuck in and just get on with it comes out way better, and if by the end of the shoot your knackerd, and falling asleep on the train home then you know youve done a good sence

instead of doing the differrnt positions in order, as it does get a bit much as it feels like your going down a check list and so you can't relax, when youve been told which position's to do and what to say then we should be to get stuck in instead of stopping and starting,

also its one hell of a turn off

anul check
doggy check and so on

[kym]

well terry you want more facial expression and sex sence's like people would do if they are at home etc and more full on

well here is a tip, give me some anal sences man'' that does it for me,

xx

[one eyed jack]

I havent seen a Private video for some time but he last I saw one I can only describe it as "vacuous" commercialism at its best.. It didnt do anything for me. Beautiful girls, nice locations, but I just didnt feel any heat between the performers. I would say they were having a good day on the job and looks better in stills.

Having said that being a photographer is way different from video, it is easier to convey your ideas on a still frame but in motion, there are so many factors that will influence a viewer. The way a woman talks, the way she moves. A still picture will do a model more justice than a video would. Probably why the top notch girls prefer doing pictures more. Personally, a nice picture of a naked woman does more for me than a lot of videos. The higher the production value, the more I find it clinical to watch. Mind you, the same people who produce this material would probably feel the same about me I can invert my perception and see my own faults also but its in front of the camera that is my point at the moment.

I know the models you named do videos and probably this is why they are so good because they are more known as models than performers, so when they are performing, they are modelling (whoa, went dizzy at the thought there) so look good doing it. It probably goes without saying that they are a lot more professional as a result and probably explains why I like the Czech girls and guys to work with because they are disciplined in conveying heat and passion in a performance that is very good and varied.

It might come down to our culture why things are the way they are as Officer Dibble calls it "Chav" culture. I think we could still standout if people adjusted their level of thinking past "Its just a fuck film innit! Ow much you payin?!" If someone wants to be good at what they do, they should look at the aspects of what makes them look good doing what they are doing by looking towards something as a yardstick.

I quote Jazz Duro for example. He started out with me but always knew he wanted to work with the likes of Rocco. He applied what he knew was required in his early performances and look at him now. He's working alongside Rocco who, love him or hate him, has to be recognised as a premiere division male performer, but even Rooco had to work at what he became. Now he has the coveted position, he has to maintain what others aspire to be. A female premiere division is subjective, but if I had to mention Jenna Jameson it would be to cite an example that is still subjective to opinion. I for one still see a lot of potential in some girls that were mentioned in this thread and I agree, you get the feeling they havent been utilised to the best of their capability. How can you outdo the best performer without knowing what the best performer has done.

[one eyed jack]

My post still applies to "chavs" too officer. Maybe more so in this case. I might bring out a series called Chav Girls Need Luv 2. I haven't done the first yet, but it sounds good though.

I'm still not sure what a chav is. Is that an Essex girl who is common as muck, who wears jeans and lots of make up with the bling-bling jewellry or what?! If thats the case, I've had plenty good chav shags in my day.

[one eyed jack]

Kym, be careful what you wish for *:-)

[kym]

ooooh!
lol