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'We in the UK were saved from that repression somewhat by the Carry-On era,'

that is absolute bollocks. Carry-on worked because we are repressed. laughter releases the tension about the 'taboo' that is sex. Sex is so serious that it can only be talked about by innuendo. It's 'nice, clean fun'.

First Woodgnone, now Joe King... I must be a complete idiot! lol.

We may have thought of ourselves as repressed, but we had a mainstream, titilating film series full of sexual innuendo, that moved from the big screen to become firmly entrenched in the living room.

You may think of that as repession in comparison to the open attitude to hardcore porn in mainland Europe, but real repression comes out in the mysogenistic, abusive porn which is so prevalent now across the Atlantic, and which has us in the UK seeking alternative material.

...unless I'm talking more bollocks of course! lol.

Joe: "What's wrong with 'pulling fannies apart for the camera'? If she has a nice pussy, you want to see it right? Or don't you want to see it?"

If I wanted to by a gynecologist, I'd had gone to medical school. If I had to choose between looking into her eyes and her fanny, I'd look into her eyes.

A woman is not a piece of meat. She is a person.

I like the idea of making love to a woman, not just sticking my dick in her cunt.

I'm with the others here who want to see women having a good time.

I worry about your mental state Joe! sometimes I just think you post to be provocative for the sake of it, why the fuck would you want to stare up someones fanny, what is it your looking for?... inspiration or perspiration.

No I agree with you - its just a turn off to see sex that looks more like rape than lovemaking.

I fear Joe is an acolyte of Max Hardcore and adherent of the ?nasty? way of sex. All this putting the boot in extreme gonzo is making him feel a tad uncomfortable and pervy. Right Joe?

Yes, we all like to see a nice fanny but as the previous posters have pointed out the gaping flap shots are of no real interested to anyone other than gynaecologists and strange internal organ fetishists. Indeed they are liable to put ?Mr Average Punter? off visual erotica for good. Look Joe, what consenting adults do in private or are interested in is fine by me. If that?s your bag I would stand up for your right to indulge. But, lets not pretend it?s a mainstream interest and lets? not have it pushed in our faces by divi producers and distributors who are so cynical and self absorbed that they cannot see the wood for trees.

Tomsk pointed out earlier that soft-core and normal fucking ?n? sucking sells much more than all this anal, bukkake, cream-pie, blitzkrieg nonsense and from my own retail experience I can bear that out. The kind of thing that sells nowadays is classic stuff that was made prior to 1995, preferably featuring appealing birds with real big tits and proper fannies. Back then films were not anal-centric and feature the kind of real-world fucking and sucking that the vast majority of people can identify with.


Officer Dibble

yep - you are ...

'Tomsk pointed out earlier that soft-core and normal fucking ?n? sucking'

' softcore and the treatment of women as people
Author: Tomsk
Date: 06-17-04 02:32
actually sells more than hard anal and facials.'

Officer:
'I fear Joe is an acolyte of Max Hardcore and adherent of the ?nasty? way of sex. All this putting the boot in extreme gonzo is making him feel a tad uncomfortable and pervy. Right Joe?'

Yes, I totally feel uncomfortable by you putting the boot in. Pervy? me?
Mainstream - what do you mean mainstream? when was porn ever 'mainstream'. Ah, so 'mainstream' porn earns you more money - ah now I understand.

I've got 1 Max Hardcore dvd. The recent dvd that I really liked was Christoph Clarkes beautiful girls #12. (I just noticed #13 has Maya Gold as well, a really beautiful woman who can perform deliciously). I suppose #12 could be called 'hard' gonzo. Some great action in though.

It's the other way round. We don't want some fucked up dehumanised and misogynistic set of values imposed on us. No-one I think is calling for censorship - just saying what we like and don't like and decrying the fact that women should be treated so roughly to satisfy the demand of *some* males. Maybe some people don't care what happens to women in porn but there are also some of us - hopefully the majority, who do care and who would like to see more porn reflecting real sex (which is usually caring, sensual and more often than not based on mutual respect - not bordering on rape) rather than sicko fantasy that seems more about reinforcing some obviously fragile male ego's than sex.

Its just getting ridiculous that you see this beautiful girl that you really would like to see naked and having a good time getting shagged erotically and with a modicum of sensuality and what happens - you get treated to half an hour of watching her bumhole being stretched to the point where she's probably going to end up in incontinence pads by the time she's 30, cocks shoved down her throat till she virtually pukes, her makeup all smudged from the tears in her eyes and then if you haven't switched off already either bored shitless or in disgust you get to watch her forcing a smile on her face while she swallows a pile of cum straight from her shitty sore asshole.