Disillusioned with the Industry

[Ron T. Storm]

Many thanks Alan.

I had been drinking more and more stressed with updates, shoots etc and then realised the fun had gone. I am still going to get updates to the site pretty regularly but possibly with a little help from my friends. I have an interesting spin to the site as I now have a female friend Nadia who is doing female gonzo. There is going to be one hell of an interesting video coming to www.nude2rude.com

It will be magic I promise as Nadia films and plays with a certain model. It is not so much in your face as was my stuff.

There are also plenty of updates to do but I will take my time now as I focus on my site www.cosmic1.com with artistic nudes. The first was Kaz B and I have more to come soon. It won't be a pay site. I just do it for the love of photography.

Well, as I said earlier, keep up the good work guys and girls,

Stormchild.

[harmonyluvver]

"I can only imagine how hard it must be for these guys literally to stand there while women are naked, fingering themselves, shoving thngs inside them etc then they get morally offended at being asked for say hand or oral relief from that girl, unless the girl says no and he persists in which case that is wrong but this is a sex industry not religion and the photographers are human not robots- Iwould have though that the girls would like the fact that the guy photographing or filming them is excited as it must mean they wil be just as popular to the public"

So we have Mr Fiona Cooper all wrong he was actually trying to compliment the girls on doing a good job and poor bugger fancy having to endure girls playing with themselves fancy not realising shooting porn would mean seeing that. If a guy or girl doesnt make it clear when booking a shoot that they are booking it so they can have a bit of wank fodder (the film/shoot just being a way of getting a model there) and that they will proposition the girl afterwards, its wrong. How many guys who ask for hand/blow jobs tell the girls they are going to do it ? Just because the girls are in the sex industry does not mean they should be given less respect than any other girl. If a girl in a club is dressed in very little and is dancing in a provocative manner would it be ok to ask her to take care of the stiffy "she has given you". It would be nice to think we have evolved a little way beyond animals.

[one eyed jack]

Wow! Standing there and blatantly giving yourself a tug is way outta line. Thats not just unprofessional thats plain just bad manners.

At least I havent known anyone to be that overt even if I have heard of it going on.

[one eyed jack]

Yeah but Al, asking and getting refused is one thing but to just stand there poling away has got to be blatantly rude right?

[one eyed jack]

Fiona Cooper apparently.

[Beth Sutherland]

Personally, I never ever go to a shoot or let a tog into my house without my boyfriend (who's an ex-porn stud). Even when i've worked with the same tog a few times and i'm getting to know him, i'd rather Chuck was around, you just never know when something like the above converstaion is going to happen - a guy not taking no for an answer.

Beth x

[Emily Cartwright]

Alice In Blunderland wrote:

> I do not know exactly what Mr Cooper has done, there has been a
> lot of speculation about it but if models are happy to do
> extras for him then that is their business, sorry but these
> girls are in the business of selling sex not Bibles or
> Tupperware, their job is to make guys horny via the medium of
> photographs or films and the person doing the filming is likely
> to be male so it is inevitable many of them will ask.
>
> One would think a girl dressed in next to nothing and dancing
> in a suggestive manner is on the lookout for company and is
> doing so to make men horny so again I cannot see the problem,
> if she does not like the guy she can say no- seems to be a
> double standard in society, some women like to bang on about
> being respected and not treated like sex objects etc then go
> out wearing next to nothing craving male attention, many of
> them bitching about some guy trying it on then a couple of
> minutes later copping off with somebody more to their liking,
> can't have it both ways.


Three things:

Firstly it is a TINY minority of photographer who are unprofessional enough to ask girls for extras.

Secondly, we are not in the business of selling sex. We are in the business of selling images and videos of sex. There is a considerable difference between the two. In the first case, the end user hires a girl to have sex with him. In the second case, the end user buys images or video of a girl to use for visual stimulation. I am involved in producing images and videos to be used for these purposes. I am NOT involved in actually delivering physical sexual pleasure to people.

Thirdly, just to be totally clear, the "if girls wear sexy clothes it is their own fault if..." argument is the most commong PRO-RAPE argument there is. I go out to clubs in sexy clothes and dance like stripper on heat, but that does NOT give anyone the right to do anything more than walk up to me and have a nice conversation. If you think that my skimpy top, hotpants and heels are an invitation to every dickhead in the club to proposition me, you clearly have a lot to learn about social behaviour.

A lot of your arguments in this thread have been based around how you think a woman's behaviour gives you the right to make a lot of assumptions about her. So I'll make you a list here:


1. Just because a model has sex with other models does not mean she will have sex with just anyone.

2. Just because some girls offer extras does not mean all girls offer extras.

3. Just because some photographers ask girls for extras does not make it acceptable.

4. Just because girls work in porn does not mean it's okay to ask them to suck your dick for money.