producers for a pint

[BillBXD]

Very good but why is it that yet again a good idea for the UK Adult Industry is being held in Little Britain? I can see why Erotica is deemed good but perhaps its already setting an agenda for us flat cap black pudding eaters who cant be cool like you ponny tailed southwaskys and pay big London money because we live in a hole in the ground.

It may be a shock to some of you love monkeys but there is life outside the M25 and a shed load of porn is made between the Midlands and Manchester.

Bill (BXD)

Another thought, if you open it up to webmasters it will be bigger than Erotica so perhaps Erotica will have to change it's date?

[Joe A]

Bill

A lot of webmasters shoot mainly vids now and then they get released on Dvd's Therefore there isn't the gap bewteen film producers and webmasters there was a few years ago. How many producers actually run their own web sites ?

And what better time than during Erotica, for everyone to meet up.

[BillBXD]

I agree but the word producers was being used a lot so perhaps include webmasters which out number the producers by umpty fcuk to 4.

Mind you I can't see how DVD sales and memberships/downloads are that related and that's no disrespect to web masters it's just surely to make a movie for final output to mpeg, wmv, avi, raw file for download at a couple of quid a chuck is different too making a feature for BBFC approval and replication on DVD5/9 in minimum runs of 2000 and getting the art work bang on must be different?

If a webmaster has a slow mover he can re-edit up-load and have another go in an afternoon but if a producer has a slow mover he's left with lots of product burning his working capital whilst he scratches his balls unless of course he has a backer in which case his problems present different solutions.

Anyway Erotica may well be a good calendar point and I'm happy having mentioned the northern link but not too many of us non southern producers find it usefull to attend Erotica so it may be the old faithfull attending which would still be cool.

Viva E.T.O

Bill (BXD)

[Joe A]

Bill

I'll teach you something... Webmasters usually make two versions of their material, one split in to parts for the net making it easier and faster for the surfer to download and the full version, so we actually do more work

[BillBXD]

Ooooh it's getting to that teaching point again is it!

As a webmaster you could do 5 versions (which most do) though either way final product is a file on a server which can be changed at will and whenever desired by the said webmaster resulting in the cherry having a second bite. File size means nothing more than render time but I'm not here to make dancing monkeys.

On the other hand a producer must commit to final copy of his product as his final product is set in stone especially the R18 cat's so if it's a shelf sitter and you self distribute you have at least 2000 discs to place your coffee cup on. But if it's a shelf sitter and you have a distributor your next agreement may be less proffitable as they have to get their money back.

Either way it's a different process and I'm not getting in to daft postings so I'll agree with Samsung's point

Bill (BXD)

[BillBXD]

Samsung you are right though I'm not too sure it's an industry wide problem though it does highlight a strange thought process with the few!

Making money from hard copy is difficult and for the UK only guys it must be a nightmare with R18 and the car booters plus VOD at a pound a pull but as you well know there is still a nice earner to be made if you approach the industry as a buisness. Too many times this industry makes everything so personal when it's just a buisness and not in anyway personal though when I say that some do feel I'm being hard nosed.

Even more interesting is the amount of US companies getting their titles BBFC classified and then sitting on them. It's almost like they are waiting for the market to come to them at which point they'll have product in place but who else notices?

Bill(BXD)

[Wankstar]

Iam shure Gorgeous gee and others would agree that the whole r18 is a nightmare, shops are buying in lots of american stuff very cheap, i know that all the big distributers had a massive sale on this summer and shops were buying in loads stock, and what happens to the british independants we are last on the ladder to sell our stuff even if it is good quality. From one side i guess the shops have to relise that they have to support the british independants and also that the public if they walk in to a porn shop they have so much choice also is there a british porn label that is a house hold name. I can only think of one and thats bendover.

www.wankstarfilms.com

[BillBXD]

Thats very true and the problem is not the BBFC or government legislation it's how the local council opperate it. What we need as indie's is more out lets to sell our product but what stops new shops oppening is local council and their wild licensing procedure.

R18 is not a totally bad thing and it does keep a levell to the market with regards Fred in a shed, how cheap it can be produced and lets be honest other than costing it could have been worse. I feel that the BBFC didn't do too bad when creating the R18 procedure but what they did was leave the serious end to local government most of which aint got a clue and not too many producers/distributors are willing to have a trip to chat with the nice people at the local council house and show them that we aint the sad pervo's that C4/Trisha & co claim we are.

For many years West Brom had only 1 adult shop but after a bit of time spent letter writting and far too many coffee's explaining what a free adult market was we now have 3.
Wolverhampton always from the stone age had 3 in it's borough but again letters and blah blah thus resulting in 5 outlets with 2 more in the pipe line.
Walsall had a shoot to kill policy regarding adult shops and back in 2001 they closed down my private members topless car wash with a promise that I would be serving at her majestys pleasure if I kept pushing, OK so I was taking the piss a little. Walsall know has a proper adult shop locally run and owned and he's doing darn well.
Cannock again no shop but now boasting 2 and Telford as a shop with a second in the pipeline though Telford opens the door to Shrewsbury as they share cross council connections.

So rather than chop down the forrest why not cut your lawn and if your neighbour will do the same we'll all have bread and spam for tea


Bill (BXD)

[Joe A]

Considering we are in the 21st century, is the UK in the 19th regarding adult material ?

Good points have been made about the lack of independent retailers. This may well be down to the cost on an annual license I know retailers use an enormous mark up on their buying in price, and everyone on the production side moans, but a sex shop is no different to a fashion shop. They have to fill them with goods which they think will sell. These items can sit on the shelf for months. The rent and staff still need to be paid.

Until the UK government and as Bill has pointed out local councils join the rest of the world in the 21st century, there is that side to consider as a problem for lack of sales.

How many of the UK producers manage to have their material released in the States ? How are sales over there ? These are a couple of questions I'd like to know the answer to

Inland UK mail order is a no no, but it's ok for the adult dvd to be mailed from outside the UK.... DUH. I wonder how much sales would jump if this could be changed so that it wasn't illegal. Again reverting to Bills comments, how many people live near a sex shop ? How many people are worried about being seen walking in to a sex shop and so sales are lost to these minor details ?