D'Amato's movies are not private or hidden shots or speculations. There are stage shots and the (usually discreet) director's own outings to prove that. Still, with collectors from all over the world (and they are not a small group, as could be that of porn fans) and dvd reissue labels looking for them, they haven't resurfaced: yet (I'm sure they will).
DVD NEEDED! Myriam... Meine wilden Freuden
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Re: DVD NEEDED! Myriam... Meine wilden Freuden
To the moderators:
My assertions about Bea Fiedler's past were not given as truth but as rumors (though my german interlocutor talked about them as generally known facts), in facts I asked for an (eventual) confirmation to the german forumists. And if we can't speculate on a person private past, I wonder whether we can do the same about her\his eventual presumed hard performances: I can't see much of a difference. I ask this for clarity's sake anyway I beg pardon for having unintentionally broken the rules of the forum.
My assertions about Bea Fiedler's past were not given as truth but as rumors (though my german interlocutor talked about them as generally known facts), in facts I asked for an (eventual) confirmation to the german forumists. And if we can't speculate on a person private past, I wonder whether we can do the same about her\his eventual presumed hard performances: I can't see much of a difference. I ask this for clarity's sake anyway I beg pardon for having unintentionally broken the rules of the forum.
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Re: DVD NEEDED! Myriam... Meine wilden Freuden
mark shanon wrote:
> This kind of absolute certainties has no room in porn,
> especially referring to that shot in the pre-video era.
...that is an era I would also be very cautious about. I am pretty sure there are still a few softcore actresses of that era who did on some rare occasion cross the hc boundary which EGAFD has not recognised yet - e.g. I watched Barbara Ossenkopp give a blowjob in some obscure porn loop.
However, the film Myriam is well within the video era.
> Mind
> that even Beutelwolf speaks of "unlikely", not "impossible"
This is just my mathematical training. As far as I am concerned there
are only different levels of unlikeliness.
Bea Fiedler was high profile enough in Germany (she was on the cover of many magazines) that a porn flick, if existing, would have been commercially very interesting indeed. Not to mention that anybody working in the German sex industry would have recognised Ms Fiedler in any such flick. So, if a hardcore version ever existed, it is highly unlikely that it surfaced anywhere in Germany. The equivalent would have been, say, a porn flick with Gloria Guida in Italy - except that Germany had AFAIK in the 1980s a bigger hardcore market than Italy, with a relatively large number of sexshops and sex cinemas, and so just about any porn in existence would have been released there then.
The comparison to D'Amato's output does not really wash, because the interest in a director is typically confined to aficionados. A random guy coming across a hc version of an old D'Amato flick would probably not realise that he stumbled across something special.
> This kind of absolute certainties has no room in porn,
> especially referring to that shot in the pre-video era.
...that is an era I would also be very cautious about. I am pretty sure there are still a few softcore actresses of that era who did on some rare occasion cross the hc boundary which EGAFD has not recognised yet - e.g. I watched Barbara Ossenkopp give a blowjob in some obscure porn loop.
However, the film Myriam is well within the video era.
> Mind
> that even Beutelwolf speaks of "unlikely", not "impossible"
This is just my mathematical training. As far as I am concerned there
are only different levels of unlikeliness.
Bea Fiedler was high profile enough in Germany (she was on the cover of many magazines) that a porn flick, if existing, would have been commercially very interesting indeed. Not to mention that anybody working in the German sex industry would have recognised Ms Fiedler in any such flick. So, if a hardcore version ever existed, it is highly unlikely that it surfaced anywhere in Germany. The equivalent would have been, say, a porn flick with Gloria Guida in Italy - except that Germany had AFAIK in the 1980s a bigger hardcore market than Italy, with a relatively large number of sexshops and sex cinemas, and so just about any porn in existence would have been released there then.
The comparison to D'Amato's output does not really wash, because the interest in a director is typically confined to aficionados. A random guy coming across a hc version of an old D'Amato flick would probably not realise that he stumbled across something special.
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mark shanon
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Re: DVD NEEDED! Myriam... Meine wilden Freuden
>However, the film Myriam is well within the video era.
I spoke of "video" era referring to the generalized use of videotape recording in porn production. I personally date that around 1985, even though the french started producing porn videos for public release at least as far back in 1979 (i traced a Brigitte Lahaie video made that year). In 1982 we were still in film era.
>This is just my mathematical training. As far as I am concerned there
are only different levels of unlikeliness.
I can't see it makes much of a difference, as regards the point in question.
about Fiedler; I'm not saying that she may have done hc. I only say that the movie may have had a porn version.
>The comparison to D'Amato's output does not really wash, because the interest in a director is typically confined to aficionados. A random guy coming across a hc version of an old D'Amato flick would probably not realise that he stumbled across something special.
Well, my basic mathematical training tells me that, in consideration of the larger number of aficionados of trash movies as compared to that of porn, this is a not quite impossible but highly unlikely chance. And anyway, your argument could be used to prove what I'm saying about the Fiedler movie.
I spoke of "video" era referring to the generalized use of videotape recording in porn production. I personally date that around 1985, even though the french started producing porn videos for public release at least as far back in 1979 (i traced a Brigitte Lahaie video made that year). In 1982 we were still in film era.
>This is just my mathematical training. As far as I am concerned there
are only different levels of unlikeliness.
I can't see it makes much of a difference, as regards the point in question.
about Fiedler; I'm not saying that she may have done hc. I only say that the movie may have had a porn version.
>The comparison to D'Amato's output does not really wash, because the interest in a director is typically confined to aficionados. A random guy coming across a hc version of an old D'Amato flick would probably not realise that he stumbled across something special.
Well, my basic mathematical training tells me that, in consideration of the larger number of aficionados of trash movies as compared to that of porn, this is a not quite impossible but highly unlikely chance. And anyway, your argument could be used to prove what I'm saying about the Fiedler movie.
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mark shanon
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Re: DVD NEEDED! Myriam... Meine wilden Freuden
Correction: this
>about Fiedler; I'm not saying that she may have done hc.
was actually:
about Fiedler; I'm not saying that she has done hc.
>about Fiedler; I'm not saying that she may have done hc.
was actually:
about Fiedler; I'm not saying that she has done hc.
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beutelwolf
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Re: DVD NEEDED! Myriam... Meine wilden Freuden
mark shanon wrote:
> >However, the film Myriam is well within the video era.
>
> I spoke of "video" era referring to the generalized use of
> videotape recording in porn production.
Fair enough, I was thinking [in the context of this thread] of video as the main distribution medium for home viewing, as opposed to Super 8. In Germany, video had already taken over, but only just: after googling for a while [to put these claims on a sounder basis] I found one statistics for Bremen from 1983 which listed 7% of households having a VCR; I am pretty sure this is a higher coverage than Super-8 ever achieved.
> >However, the film Myriam is well within the video era.
>
> I spoke of "video" era referring to the generalized use of
> videotape recording in porn production.
Fair enough, I was thinking [in the context of this thread] of video as the main distribution medium for home viewing, as opposed to Super 8. In Germany, video had already taken over, but only just: after googling for a while [to put these claims on a sounder basis] I found one statistics for Bremen from 1983 which listed 7% of households having a VCR; I am pretty sure this is a higher coverage than Super-8 ever achieved.