S. Rechmeier's Lexikon des deutschen Erotikfilms

[beutelwolf]

mark shanon wrote:

> when did it start to separate? I suspect it was well before
> 1986. so many later movies should not have made it in the book,

It wasn't well before 1986. They had been drifting apart before,
but the process was really completed in the mid 1980s when films
were clearly made for Video, using the Video medium.
The completion is really evident with the VTO pics.

I'd say there were two phases when porn broke off.
One was about 1979-1981 when productions got visibly smaller, the other
1983-1985 when the medium itself was transformed.

> if R.'s intention was to include only those with a larger
> audience and a certain "social" visibility. Am I wrong?

I think that's probably correct.

> Indirect proof of that is that, assuming R. and you
> were right, then the german production would have been much
> inferior both to the french and the italian ones: which is

But it is inferior to the French production, very very much so. It is so much
easier to get hold of a half-decent French porn flick of that period that has been dubbed into German than of a half-decent orginal German one.
I don't know the Italian scene well enough to make a judgment about that.

> improbable since Germany was the first of these nations to have
> already a well developed structure to produce porn when it was
> first legalized, as there was a well-developed loop production
> before legalization

I disagree. The majority of these loops are either post-legalisation
or Skandinavian-made. Hans Billian shot his porn loops in Sweden & Denmark before German legalisation. There were some loops produced beforehand, e.g. bondage, or version of softporn films but those were small fish.

> (and nowadays has the biggest release
> outside of the USA.)

Nowadays, but not back then.
One can simply look at the ads in porn mags: in the late 70s porn loops are advertised quite heavily, in the early 70s porn mags you have to search with a microscope. There are some references to Pam&Tam cinemas (or whatever they were called), and this is about it.

> >Edited together from porn loops from Imperial Film.
> >I wouldn't cover that either, the original porn films from
> Imperial perhaps...
>
> I mean the Brinkmann movie with Alban Ceray: it has some
> flashbacks, maybe culled, as you say, from other german
> productions (can't be more definite about this, you know more
> about it than me) but to me it looks like it stands on its own
> legs.

Meant the same film. Grabs material from 3 longish Imperial films, and puts them alongside material that may be new or is culled from somewhere else.

Still, this is sought after, because it is a rare example of early German porn of half-decent quality, even if it has been ripped from 3-4 other films. Recently I missed out on a copy on filmundo, because I was unwilling to put up more than 40 Euro for such a cutting-room product. But this shows how rare these films are, French films of that (and much better) quality are a dime a dozen.

> > or ?Le bambole di carne?
>
> >not sure which film that is...
>
> A moli movie.

That doesn't narrow it down much...
Could it possibly be "Die Masslosen"? [this is covered in the book]


> >BTW one Italian film took the credits of Rosemaries
> Schleckerland and >stuck them at the front of a completely
> different movie.
>
> It is to this last I was referring, not to the more famous one.
> yes, the titles were culled in italy from those of "Rosemarie"
> to distribute it without submitting it to the censure board,
> but the movie is german

I saw that film. I don't think it is German.

> "Popcorn und Himbeereis" is an absolute MUST, it is
> the most >important example of the subgenre.
>
> It seems like i'll have to find me a copy of this movie.

Easy to get hold of on DVD.

It is softcore, teeny T&A sex flick, but amongst those it's one of the better films, and better known films.
Has one really good sex scene in it where Bea Fiedler is pleasured
by her Disco-pull, and boy did I envy that bloke.


> I was in Germany in 1976, made the reeperbahn and loops were
> projected in the bars over there. and they came to my
> attention. (well, actually i was looking for them). i presume
> they came to the attention of all the people who consume porn.

Yes, but they were not really talked about, the way softporn flicks
were talked about. One big difference was that quite a few soft porn stars
achieved some fame on television, most notably Ingrid Steeger and
Elisabeth Volkmann, but also Christine Schuberth, Andrea Rau, Olivia Pascal, and a few others.

> but soft porn is still alive and well. Actually, I think the
> production is bigger now than ever.

Not in Germany.
In some of the years of the early 1970s more than half of the films released to the German cinema were sex films. There is a statistic about this somewhere in Anette Miersch's book which I don't recall out of the top of my head exactly, but it was along these lines.

[mark shanon]

>I disagree. The majority of these loops are either post-legalisation
>or Skandinavian-made. Hans Billian shot his porn loops in Sweden & Denmark before German >legalisation. There were some loops produced beforehand, e.g. bondage, or version of softporn >films but those were small fish.

Do you know when and how Jean-Pierre Armand made his debut? It was 1969, in a german loop being shot near his home in the South of France, in a nudist camp. He says in his autobiography that german crews used to get there each summer to shoot.

>One can simply look at the ads in porn mags: in the late 70s porn loops are advertised quite >heavily, in the early 70s porn mags you have to search with a microscope. There are some >references to Pam&Tam cinemas (or whatever they were called), and this is about it.


What you say only goes to prove that loops ads weren?t tolerated by the authorities, as at that time there was a full-fledged danish production which couldn?t have missed to find an outlet in Germany. The movement was all underground, exactly as in Italy and France.

>Meant the same film. Grabs material from 3 longish Imperial films, and puts them alongside >material that may be new or is culled from somewhere else.

can you tell me which is the original title?.

> > or ?Le bambole di carne?
>
> >not sure which film that is...
>
> A moli movie.

>That doesn't narrow it down much...
>Could it possibly be "Die Masslosen"? [this is covered in the book]

I?ll check and let you know, though the credits are different and more complete than the ones of the Masslosen. I think is a later film.

>I saw that film. I don't think it is German.

Well, it is not italian and is not french. It has a german performer whose work outside Germany includes, as far as I know, only extreme videos made at a later date in holland.

> but soft porn is still alive and well. Actually, I think the
> production is bigger now than ever.

>Not in Germany.
>In some of the years of the early 1970s more than half of the films released to the German cinema >were sex films. There is a statistic about this somewhere in Anette Miersch's book which I don't >recall out of the top of my head exactly, but it was along these lines.


Of course it couldn?t be otherwise: in the early ?70?s you had to go to the theatres to watch sex being performed or staged, now you can do it at home. Which goes to prove also that the sex movies primary interest lie outside of their assumed ?cultural? relevance. But the directors I mentioned shoot a soft version of their movies mainly for german backers. Which makes me doubt that there's not a german production of the same kind of product.

[beutelwolf]

mark shanon wrote:

> What you say only goes to prove that loops ads weren’t
> tolerated by the authorities, as at that time there was a
> full-fledged danish production which couldn’t have missed to
> find an outlet in Germany. The movement was all underground,
> exactly as in Italy and France.

Possibly, but I was talking about HC mags, not softporn.
The Danes are close enough to Germany anyway, they could then simply sell German films in Copenhagen - and they did.

> can you tell me which is the original title?.

Well, the collection, as is, was released in Germany by Diamant video (I think) as "Die wilden Lueste meiner Schulfreundinnen".
This collection is based on:
"Der Sexkanal", "Cabaret d'Amor", "Suesse Teens in heissen Jeans", and possibly more.

> But the directors I mentioned shoot a
> soft version of their movies mainly for german backers. Which
> makes me doubt that there's not a german production of the same
> kind of product.

Shot for pay TV, I suppose.

I should not really make any claims about the current situation in Germany as I have been living abroad for about 15 years... But I would be surprised if there was a flourishing softporn production line in Germany.

[klasse_fraun]

hoi
very interesting thread...
yesterday has visited me an important ingrid steeger collector!-in his opinion is this book a "must have"!
further there is book named "porn gold"!-when i have again more freetime i will try to catch them both...
groetjes

[Herschi]

Hello!
Is there also articles on Oswalt Kolle and Ruth Gassmann("Helga") in the book?
These persons have worried for the freedom of movement in Germany.
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Herschi

[mark shanon]

Of course: all the films of both series are reviewed.

[Herschi]

The good information of "beutelwolf" and " mark shanon" gives me the possibility buy the book.
______
Herschi

[mark shanon]

We'll touch R. for a percentage.