Irrespective of the fine detail above, it would probably make economic sense for a DVD-producer only to produce ONE version, avoiding extra editing, for all his market, i.e. a 'US-friendly' product.
Which would be bad news for those of us with less prescriptive tastes in porn........
New Problem?? Censored DVD?s!!
Re: General Problem
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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Walter Burns
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Re: General Problem
ArchiPoeta wrote:
>
> obviously my english is so lousy
> that you cannot understand my topic.
I think your English is Fine.
>
> your remarks above are only regionally or nationally orientated
No, they are not. Look below.
> ...
> and an old discussion which i cannot evaluate
> should not impede a similar or another discussion.
> there is no need for someone to contribute where is no interest
> for him.
It is an old discussion, but very much on topic and interesting. Why? Because people involved in the business themselves (such as Scott Kinney, the American importer of much of Videorama and DBM stuff) have participated in it. People who actually know about the problem first hand.
I just thought that for the sake of this discussion here, it would be interesting that you would hear what these professionals had to say about it. Sort of educating yourself before participating in a discussion. Like in knowing what you are talking about.
>
> for me it is a new phenomenon
> that some rather new German movies ( 3-4 years old) are NOW
> released as dvd?s ONLY in a censored version - and the
> originals exists only as vhs videos.
Like I said two times already, it is THIS problem that has been discussed some two years ago already. It may be a new problem for you, but that doesn't mean it IS a new problem.
>
> it is rather irrelevant for me what are the porn standards in
> USA or Switzerland ( What YES .. what NO) -
> but if international orientated porn producers could avoid
> totally certain topics "in vorauseilendem Gehorsam" in future
> that would be no pleasure for the "national" customer.
>
> greetings AP
The point is that it is not irrelevant for you what the standards are in Switzerland or the USA, because those standards are increasingly being used to produce porn in other markets.
I have no idea what a "national" customer is.
>
> obviously my english is so lousy
> that you cannot understand my topic.
I think your English is Fine.
>
> your remarks above are only regionally or nationally orientated
No, they are not. Look below.
> ...
> and an old discussion which i cannot evaluate
> should not impede a similar or another discussion.
> there is no need for someone to contribute where is no interest
> for him.
It is an old discussion, but very much on topic and interesting. Why? Because people involved in the business themselves (such as Scott Kinney, the American importer of much of Videorama and DBM stuff) have participated in it. People who actually know about the problem first hand.
I just thought that for the sake of this discussion here, it would be interesting that you would hear what these professionals had to say about it. Sort of educating yourself before participating in a discussion. Like in knowing what you are talking about.
>
> for me it is a new phenomenon
> that some rather new German movies ( 3-4 years old) are NOW
> released as dvd?s ONLY in a censored version - and the
> originals exists only as vhs videos.
Like I said two times already, it is THIS problem that has been discussed some two years ago already. It may be a new problem for you, but that doesn't mean it IS a new problem.
>
> it is rather irrelevant for me what are the porn standards in
> USA or Switzerland ( What YES .. what NO) -
> but if international orientated porn producers could avoid
> totally certain topics "in vorauseilendem Gehorsam" in future
> that would be no pleasure for the "national" customer.
>
> greetings AP
The point is that it is not irrelevant for you what the standards are in Switzerland or the USA, because those standards are increasingly being used to produce porn in other markets.
I have no idea what a "national" customer is.
[b]IAFD, supporters of beastiality! Just say NO![/b]
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Walter Burns
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Re: General Problem
DavidS wrote:
> You are missing the point. We are trying to discuss this here,
> not elsewhere.
True, but where did I say that you can not discuss it here.
I referred to the rame discussion because of two things:
1) To show that this is NOT a new problem.
2) To indicate that this has been discussed elsewhere and to make sure that anybody who is interesting in discussing this here can look up what is said about this before. I failed to say before that in the previous discussion some professionals were involved. Maybe it is useful before entering a discussion to do some research about a topic, no?
> You are missing the point. We are trying to discuss this here,
> not elsewhere.
True, but where did I say that you can not discuss it here.
I referred to the rame discussion because of two things:
1) To show that this is NOT a new problem.
2) To indicate that this has been discussed elsewhere and to make sure that anybody who is interesting in discussing this here can look up what is said about this before. I failed to say before that in the previous discussion some professionals were involved. Maybe it is useful before entering a discussion to do some research about a topic, no?
[b]IAFD, supporters of beastiality! Just say NO![/b]
Re: General Problem
This is one of the most interesting topics that has appeared on this forum recently and AP deserves credit for raising it. To my mind it is irrelavant that it has been discussed elsewhere, apparently sometime ago. You seem to be implying that users of this forum are ill informed, that is certainly not the case in my opinion. Although comments from experts inside the industry are welcome, I should not like to see them dominate this forum as is the case elsewhere. I have the highest regard for your knowledge of the industry, I just think on this occassion you are wrong.
Re: General Problem
This is an argument about nothing. Walter was merely suggesting that people might like to read what has been said before on this subject as well as discussing it here.
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ArchiPoeta
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Re: General Problem
@ alec
sorry ... your notice does sound like "an argument about nothing" too.
i have checked the rame thread which Walter probably does mean ...
sept 2002 ... a thread full of informations, misinformations, misunderstandings as ever & ... a brilliant contribution by Kinney.
i found it is similar discussion .. with rather few contributions ..
and i have not the time to check where a similar thread is beginning again.
but the question:
is it indeed my "duty" to check all possible & available sources
before i can begin a thread or raise a question in this forum????
look only at the topics of this forum?s first pages
before you like to tell me : yes.
it is sorry that with such traditional maneuvres an interesting topic
(perhaps only for 2-3 people) is "killed".
greetings AP
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Re: General Problem
Sorry Alec, I cannot agree with you on this. I agree with AP, Walter seemed to be attempting to stifle this debate. Surely it is not necessary to check other forums' sites before entering a highly relevant topic on this one. This site is rightly highly regarded and most of the contributors, including Walter, have an excellent knowledge of this subject, either generally or with regard to specialities. The point AP was making is that a disturbing number of dvd's are now made in a style to appeal to the Americans and other countries, where certain activities which are acceptable in Germany are frowned upon. I like the style of German film making. I do not want to buy dvd's specifically designed for a 'mid-Atlantic' audience. Furthermore, I do wonder how many of the people who contribute to this site do check the other site. I certainly don't!
Re: General Problem
That is merely how it may have sounded, not how it was meant.
Please end the argument in any case and carry on discussing the topic with which this thread started.
Please end the argument in any case and carry on discussing the topic with which this thread started.
Re: General Problem
I agree Alec. I am more than pleased to discuss this highly interesting topic further.
Re: New Problem?? Censored DVD?s!!
Perhaps the way forward might be to do what John Thompson has done with his Munich based operation. Dvd's for the global market are labeled GGG, the stronger ones for primarily the German domestic market are labeled 666. Not that I would welcome too many productions using his style of film making!