Caroline Ducey ' Romance '

[Herschi]

The film is sent in the NDR/German television on 28 March 2004 at 23.45 hours.
Is this porn?

' Romance aka Romance X '(FRA1999)

Director: Catherine Breillat

with:
Caroline Ducey
Fov?a
Carla

Actors:
Rocco Siffredi
Roberto Malone

Szene1
The film "Romance" begins boringly but the main actor then has the penis of her friend in the mouth.

Szene2
She talks, about fucking for Rocco Siffredi touches himself a condom on the penis.
Remark: the penis is stiff
She takes the stiff penis into her hands now and milks him.
She puts herself on the belly.
Rocco asks "I may fuck you into the fanny"?

Szene3
She lies in bed with her friend you, sucks and milks his penis.

Szene4
Sadomaso

Szene5
Sadomaso, alone satisfaction

Szene6
Sadomaso
Gags, nylon rope and adhesive tape, with.
Your pair of briefs is cut open and a finger imported into her vagina.

Szene7
She lies in bed with her friend you and milks his penis.

Szene8
She has her vagina felt of seven trainees.

Szene9
She has a dream:

A man licks woman for one for the vagina.
A second man milks himself.
His penis then introduces one to the vagina for him.
An Ejakulation is shown.

[John.h2]

Good question.
Romance (1999) does include the actions you describe yet is a mainstream film.

Other examples of European mainstream films with hardcore action include:

Hotel St Pauli (1988) - Amanda Ooms (bj, gs)
Guardami (1999) - Elisabetta Cavallotti (fellatio, bj, erections, insertions)
Baise-Moi (2000) - Karen Lancaume, Elodie Cherie & Raffaela Anderson (well documented hardcore)
Donna Lupo (1999) - Loredana Cannata (bj, b/g, masturbation)
Devil in the Flesh (1986) - Maruschka Detmers (bj)
Lucia y et Sexo (2001) - Paz Vega (erections and probable b/g)
Spetters (1980) - Renee Soutendijk (alleged hand job)

[Takezho]

John.h2 wrote:
(...)
> Other examples of European mainstream films with hardcore
> action include:
> (...)
> Devil in the Flesh (1986) - Maruschka Detmers (bj)
(...)


It was hardly a bj...
=> Marushka Detmers put her (limp) partner manhood in her mouth for a few seconds, there was no sexual performance/acting.

[John.h2]

OK, but still not what you'd expect to see in Mainstream.

[Takezho]

I agree, I remember the fuss it made when the movie was out in the theaters.

But what I am saying is there was no actual or simulated sexual act in that movie, even if Maruschka Detmers and her partner were naked and obviously in post-coital recovery. Those few seconds looks like, in my opinion, a mischief daring (?) [like how far can they go before the censorship cut them]. You won't notice it if the shot was removed from the movie.

[Herschi]

Hi John.h2!

Thank for the list.
Renee Soutendijk?
I am surprised now!

I still can add something.

' Une vraie jeune fille '(FRA 1976) aka ' Ein M?dchen '(DE)
with: Charlotte Alexandra (sado maso with a worm and man)

' Ai no corrida(JAP or ITA-title) aka In the Realm of the Senses(USA) aka Im Reich der Sinne(DE) ' (JAP/FRA 1976)
with: Eiko Matsuda (fellatio,erections,insertions,sado maso)

' 1900 ' (FRA,ITA,DE 1976)
with: Stefania Casini (She milks the Penise of Robert De Niro and G?rard Depardieu)
Note: I have the long version

' Caligula ' (ITA 1979)
with: Helen Mirren
A slave milks his penis till he ejaculates on a tray.
Note: The scene isn't cut. But there isn't the scene on DVD.

' La Vie de J?sus '(FRA 1997) aka ' Das Leben Jesu '(DE)
with: Marjorie Cottreel(plays: marie)(erections,insertions)

' Intimacy '(FRA 2000)
with: Kerry Fox (fellatio,erections)

' Le Pornographe'(FRA 2001)
with Ovidie(There shall be Hardcore scenes in the film)
Note: I haven't seen the film yet

[John.h2]

Renee Soutendijk is according to Mr Skin.

I'd forgotten about 'Une vraie jeune fille' which wasn't released until 2000 due, I believe, to censorship issues

I didn't include 'In the Realm of Senses' or 'Intimacy' as they're not European made.

I didn't include 'Caligula' as there's so much discussion about the 'extra' parts that were added later and who actually did what;
USA version (R rated): 115 minutes
Swedish version: 146 minutes (I have this copy)
Italian version: 157 minutes

I hadn't heard about this version of '1900' as Stefania Casini has minimal nudity in the 'standard' version.

'La Vie de J?sus' is new to me.

I had understood that 'Le Pornographe' was a hardcore release.

[12-stringer]

In "Spetters" there is a scene where Soutendijk and a man are in bed after sex (which we don't see), and as they talk, she idly plays with his penis. I don't think "handjob" is quite the right term for it, as she's apparently not attempting to arouse him. It's just a moment of casual intimacy.

[ArchiPoeta]

Helen Mirren & co. didn?t know
that CALIGULA was later sexed ( better: porned ) up by the HUSTLER gang
therefore people shouldn?t mention the mainstream actors regarding the porn scenes.

similar happens to a Joe D?Amato softcore movie LE NOTTI EROTICHE DEI MORTI VIVENTI which was changed to a porn movie in the 80?s with the stupid title BLUE PORNO HOLOCAUST by the producers/distributors.


greetings AP

[alec]

Re the straight actors in Caligula. I think they may have suspected what was going on. There is a story that several of them were sitting round on set and one of them queried the presence of several well-hung males wandering round naked. John Gielgud is supposed to have replied 'Just take the money, dear boy, and keep quiet.'

I'm not sure about the title Blue Porno Holocaust, but Porno Holocaust is a different film from Erotic Nights of the Living Dead. In any case Lucia Ramirez performed hard core in a few other d'Amato films, though the h/c elements in the German DVD release of Notti Erotiche are certainly from another source..