IDed XNK0352!!

[zushiomaru]

first of all, i must say there are a short and long version of Phantasmes.
aka Seduction of Amy(Dutch sleeve is a horrible US boxart, but happens more w German labels like Mike Hunter)

Dutch version is 66min, Eng dubbed. director credited as Dale J. Martin
Video For Pleasure(80s label)is 88 min as "Het Pornokasteel"
which of course means the porn castle. Dunno if last one is French or Eng.

well, now on to the ID-ing.

XNK0352 is (Virginie or Christine ?) D'Anvers.

Damn, i'm sure about the last name coz it aint nowhere on imdb,etc.
Only source(which i don't have w me)i got this from is the Jean Rollin Book
from Lucertola Media (yes,signed and w the OST of 2 Orphelines Vampires)

Have some extra credits as well for Christine Black/Schwartz.
Unschuld zum Lande( dunno french dub title) director is credited as
Pierre Thome???
will list the rest of the credits next time.
is featured w other German and maybe Swedish trailers(just 3-5 min.scenes really)on French compilation 'Le meilleur du X suedoise'
or best of swedish x, none of the I Tegn-stuff or any Maria Forsa, as far as
i can tell...

[Walter Burns]

zushiomaru wrote:

> first of all, i must say there are a short and long version
> of Phantasmes.
> aka Seduction of Amy(Dutch sleeve is a horrible US boxart,
> but happens more w German labels like Mike Hunter)
>
> Dutch version is 66min, Eng dubbed. director credited as Dale
> J. Martin
> Video For Pleasure(80s label)is 88 min as "Het
> Pornokasteel"
> which of course means the porn castle. Dunno if last one is
> French or Eng.

I believe I have seen the Dutch version (from a label called Peach Club), as The Seduction of Amy. That version was 67 minutes and also had the director credited as Dale J. Martin.

>
> Have some extra credits as well for Christine
> Black/Schwartz.
> Unschuld zum Lande( dunno french dub title) director is
> credited as
> Pierre Thome???
> will list the rest of the credits next time.

I am looking forward to this. I have seen this as Unschuld vom lande. The director was credited as Pierre Thome. The label/distributor was Arpa Video. The running time was 79 minutes. IIRC, I saw a German version. I have neither a year of production, nor a cast list.

[alec]

zushiomaru wrote:

>
> XNK0352 is (Virginie or Christine ?) D'Anvers.
>
> Damn, i'm sure about the last name coz it aint nowhere on
> imdb,etc.
> Only source(which i don't have w me)i got this from is the
> Jean Rollin Book
> from Lucertola Media (yes,signed and w the OST of 2
> Orphelines Vampires)
>

Thanks a lot.

There are no credits at all on my copy. The nearest to that surname among the names listed on imdb is d'Antes in Mylene D'Antes. I can see how D'Antes could get garbled to D'Anvers (or Anglicised to it) or D'Anvers could be garbled to D'Antes. Any thoughts?

It is definitely a Jean Rollin film; so Dale J. Martin must be one of his aliases not listed on imdb. But it seems it was used only in certain versions. According to Immoral Tales by Cahal Tohill and Pete Tombs, Primitive Press, 1994, Phantasmes was the only porno Rollin made that he signed with his own name. Mylene d'Antes is mentioned in the same paragraph as playing one of the lead roles. Apparently she was recommended by Benazeraf.

Thanks for the Christine Black info.

[zushiomaru]

Unschuld vom Lande
french dub title: Education d'un Adolescent.

sorry about XNK0352. it's Myl?ne D'anvers.(as stated on imdb)
other girls are apparantly(according to Virgins & Vampyres book):
Monica Swinn,Marlene Miller/Myller,Sarah Toga,Claudia Zante.

the Castel Twins did a lot more; they're sometimes credited as Tricot,
Marie-Pierre = Pony Tricot & Catherine = Cathy Tricot.

I'll give their full credits soon.

Maybe also give a file on Yoko,from Rollin's Trottoirs du Bangkok, Suce-moi vampire, Fruit D?fendu(80s w Alban Ceray)..??

Credits for Suce moi,Vampire:
Jean-Lou/Jean Loup Philippe (of Pussy talk/sexe qui parle & L?vres du sang)
Jean-Louis Vattier
Martine Grimaud
Yoko
Sylvia Bourdon
Claudine Beccarie
one or two unknowns?
Jean Rollin himself in light,tit-groping scene.
he vanishes as fast as he's seen. with a swirling camera,only following the
action...
it includes 2 scenes from L?vres de sang/Lips of Blood.
the party/exhibition scene w Beccarie,Bourdon & Grimaud & (scriptgirl,50 years old,non-sex...!!)Nathalie Perrey.
The other scene is with the 4 vampire girls chasing him or him chasing them...? The girls are Castel Twins,Anita Berglund,H?l?ne Maguin.

and yes, the director is Michel Gand(Gentil..)or Jean Rollin!!
contrary to what he says himself, that someone else used the crew & actors from Levres de Sang.

cheers Z.

[alec]

zushiomaru wrote:

> Unschuld vom Lande
> french dub title: Education d'un Adolescent.
>
> sorry about XNK0352. it's Myl?ne D'anvers.(as stated on
> imdb)
> other girls are apparantly(according to Virgins & Vampyres
> book):
> Monica Swinn,Marlene Miller/Myller,Sarah Toga,Claudia Zante.
>

Thanks a lot, but I'm still not clear whether d'Antes (as imdb and Immoral Tales state) or d'Anvers is correct. There also seems to be some confusion about Sarah Toga- I think it might be a male Saratoga, on the basis of the dialogue. There are too many female names otherwise, but I'm prepared to be corrected.

> the Castel Twins did a lot more; they're sometimes credited
> as Tricot,
> Marie-Pierre = Pony Tricot & Catherine = Cathy Tricot.
>
> I'll give their full credits soon.

Thanks a lot.

>
> Maybe also give a file on Yoko,from Rollin's Trottoirs du
> Bangkok, Suce-moi vampire, Fruit D?fendu(80s w Alban
> Ceray)..??
>
> Credits for Suce moi,Vampire:
> Jean-Lou/Jean Loup Philippe (of Pussy talk/sexe qui parle &
> L?vres du sang)
> Jean-Louis Vattier
> Martine Grimaud
> Yoko
> Sylvia Bourdon
> Claudine Beccarie
> one or two unknowns?
> Jean Rollin himself in light,tit-groping scene.
> he vanishes as fast as he's seen. with a swirling camera,only
> following the
> action...
> it includes 2 scenes from L?vres de sang/Lips of Blood.
> the party/exhibition scene w Beccarie,Bourdon & Grimaud &
> (scriptgirl,50 years old,non-sex...!!)Nathalie Perrey.
> The other scene is with the 4 vampire girls chasing him or
> him chasing them...? The girls are Castel Twins,Anita
> Berglund,H?l?ne Maguin.
>
> and yes, the director is Michel Gand(Gentil..)or Jean
> Rollin!!
> contrary to what he says himself, that someone else used the
> crew & actors from Levres de Sang.
>

Thanks again. If the date of 1974/5 for this film is correct then it seems highly unlikely that Yoko is in in it, unless she was 10 years older than she looks in Le Fruit Defendu (1985). imdb also claims that Yoko is in La Clinique des fantasmes (1978) - she isn't - but Mika Barthel is. On the basis of a Yoko being credited in a Ribu film of the early 80s - Diamond Baby - where she also doesn't appear, but Mika does, I suspect Yoko may also be an alias for Mika Barthel.

[zushiomaru]

hi

yes,i just thought it was D'anvers coz that means from Antwerp...
will check Suce moi vampire again, for Yoko's sake.

The (short)US version of Phantasmes who most people saw, was out in the US, w complete bogus credits, and a story about a prince and princess,
in a bloody castle, the Castel twins were called Krellm.
it also included a Jill St James..(must be wrong!)
Quite funny...

latest info is from old Video Watchdog #8,i think.


"of all the things, i miss my mind the most"

zushiomaru

[alec]

Thanks. I got my copy from a US source, but I don't think it was the short US version.

[pudgym]

My copy of this movie was obtained from Alpha Blue Archives of Oakland, CA. It has no credits; and runs 67 minutes.
My sources provided that it was produced by Andr? Samarq, and that in this, the explicit version [USA title: "Seduction Of Amy"], Jean Rollin's name was listed as the director. But since the movie was made in France before the change of government in 1975 (which then officially allowed explicit movies to be made and exhibited in the country), there were no production credits.
This was, seemingly, the movie which was pitched to U.S.A. Drive-In theater operators as an explicit movie which they could show without too much fear of being prosecuted. But just before it entered release, the U.S. Supreme Court came out with a ruling that seemed to infer you couldn't make an explicit movie. (I have forgotten exactly which case this was. I think it involved the Court remanding a case where a lower Federal District Court had found the movie to not be obscene.) So it didn't play any drive-ins in this cut. It probably was only exhibited in this cut in hardtop theaters in New York, San Francisco, & Los Angeles.
Another version, titled "Les Phantasmes d?Isabelle" or "Once Upon A Virgin" played in situations affiliated with The Art Theater Guild, as well as drive-ins - but it was softcore.

[alec]

pudgym wrote:

> My copy of this movie was obtained from Alpha Blue
> Archives of Oakland, CA. It has no credits; and runs 67
> minutes.

Snap.

[zushiomaru]

no, its the US version, without credits..

the French or Belgian or Dutch video is 88 minutes.
maybe i'll write a review here or on Marc Morris' Rollin page.

U can recognise the original,uncut version by it's language:Francais!

hope this ends this topic.

btw: US video label was Wonderful World of Video.
the UK softcore version was called Once upon a Virgin(49 min.PAL)

zushio


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