Bombing Syria....

[spider]

Britain has interfered in the region for centuries to no good effect.

Isn't time for a new approach?

Let's keep out of it this time and see how that works.

You know this is going to end with "boots on the ground".

I just hope anyone thinking of joining the army now realises this.

I say this because I don't want a load of whinging when they start coming back with no legs and/or in body bags.

[Sam Slater]

David seems to have either accidentally misread my original reply in his eagerness to find fault with everything I say, or is now trying to cover his own arse by misquoting me.

For the record, this is how David misquotes me:

David: "And thus your statement for the UK to bomb Iraq alone is no good is incorrect."

Now compare it to what I actually said:

Sam Slater: "1. Bombing Iraq alone is no good. ISIS will just find refuge over the border in Syria and continue quick fire raids into Iraq when when they feel like it."

Now, ladies and gentleman, I'll leave you all to look at my post again and decide if I mentioned just the 'UK'. I just made a general point that bombing Iraq alone would be no good. The US are bombing Syria, precisely because, like I stated, not doing so would leave ISIS areas of refuge in which to direct speedy attacks over the border. That's it. No mystery. No confusion. No argument to be had. It was an easy sentence to understand.

Now, will David do the manly thing and just admit he got it wrong or will he go on some lengthy, round the houses, explanation about .......well.........I don't know what. I cannot for the life of me work out how he can do nothing else but say he jumped the gun and fucked up.

[spider]

I don't know about that. Tony Blair was the most liked and successful PM since the early days of Thatcher and it was the Iraq war that was his downfall. Without that we would never have had Gordon Brown and he'd have most likely still won the 2010 election imho.

The Blair/Bush invasion of Iraq was 2003.

Blair still won an election in 2005, so it didn't do him that much damage.

[Arginald Valleywater]

Seeing as Obi Wan Chocice is doing nothing to help the average American citizen he has to be seen to show America is still the global hardman.
It would be interesting to know how many conflicts since WW2 have been stage managed, instigated or sponsored by the USA.......

[Sam Slater]

If I'm not mistaken I think it took a while before the people became disillusioned with the war.

We may never know, of course, but I do think that Blair would have easily won the 2010 election if there'd been no Iraq war and no subsequent fall out from that in the years that followed. He was hounded out by the end and it was all about Iraq.

[spider]

I wrote on 26 Sep 2014

You know this is going to end with "boots on the ground"



So that didn't take long did it?

"Defence Minister Michael Fallon said the limited mission would not lead to the deployment of combat troops."

I give it till next spring!

[David Johnson]

The Allies spent billions on arming and training the Iraqi army when Maliki was leader. And we saw that large amounts of armaments went to ISIS when the Iraqi army turned tail and fled.

So unless there has been a quantum change in the Iraqi government in terms of inclusiveness and representing the entire people of Iraq, this training project will inevitably end up with exactly the same result.

[Arginald Valleywater]

But think of the profits for Colt, Rockwell, Carlyle (Bush family have a lot of shares...), General Dynamics etc etc. War is always good for Wall Street. I always wonder if the US would be so keen to start wars if they were 2000 miles nearer Europe....

[spider]

Mission creep anyone?



This is all going well isn't it?

Let's get Christmas over with and then we'll have February and March to get another few thousand in there and then Cameron can present himself as a "Wartime Prime Minister".

It never does any harm to be able to present yourself as a "Wartime Prime Minister" as you go into a general election.