[quote]Whether it's coincidence, intelligent design or whatever, faith schools give children a better education.[/quote]
Yeah.........you're not getting it, are you? Never mind. I fear I'm wasting my time.
No doubt you'll be encouraged by the number of Islamic schools that are opening up all over the country then.
[quote]Apart from the Vicar of Rome, Catholic churches don't have vicars. They have priests.[/quote]
Yes. Because that's far more important than you understanding my point.
Birmingham schools "Trojan horse" plan
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Sam Slater
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Re: For the record..
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
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David Johnson
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Sam
I agree with pretty much everything in your post. You are correct about the fact that they are not designated faith schools.
Although the schools are not designated faith schools, it would appear according to Ofsted anyway, that a number of them have become faith schools in all but name because in certain cases, there are 90-95% Muslims at the school and there has been a concerted effort to influence the school down conservative Islamic lines.
Now whether or not this is true still seems to be questionable. For example, there was a very spirited denial of the Ofsted view by a practising Christian on the Education Trust and an agnostic Deputy Head of the Park View school, one of the schools that I think were put into special measures.
Personally, I think the religious mix of primary schools should be artificially changed by bussing in kids of different religious and cultural backgrounds so that there is a broad range of cultures and faiths. That should then feed through into secondary schools.
Although the schools are not designated faith schools, it would appear according to Ofsted anyway, that a number of them have become faith schools in all but name because in certain cases, there are 90-95% Muslims at the school and there has been a concerted effort to influence the school down conservative Islamic lines.
Now whether or not this is true still seems to be questionable. For example, there was a very spirited denial of the Ofsted view by a practising Christian on the Education Trust and an agnostic Deputy Head of the Park View school, one of the schools that I think were put into special measures.
Personally, I think the religious mix of primary schools should be artificially changed by bussing in kids of different religious and cultural backgrounds so that there is a broad range of cultures and faiths. That should then feed through into secondary schools.
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Arginald Valleywater
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Re: Birmingham schools "Trojan horse" plan
Got to agree with Cockney. Schools should not teach religion and that goes for Islam, Shinto, Christianity and any creed with a set of rules that sets it out as different i.e. superior to others views. Islam is a cancer in this land and across civilized Europe and needs to stopped before it kills freedom of choice and free speech.
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David Johnson
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Essex Lad
Well at its most basic level, a multicultural society is a society with multiple cultures.
That's what we have in the UK whether people like it or not and unless the government, rather unlikely, decides to shift certain cultures overseas, that is how the UK will stay.
So better to come up with a set of strategies to avoid hatred from building up between different cultures like the Protestant and Catholic cultures in Northern Ireland which has resulted in decades of pain, death and mayhem.
"Wanting" or otherwise is not the key issue here, I suspect.
That's what we have in the UK whether people like it or not and unless the government, rather unlikely, decides to shift certain cultures overseas, that is how the UK will stay.
So better to come up with a set of strategies to avoid hatred from building up between different cultures like the Protestant and Catholic cultures in Northern Ireland which has resulted in decades of pain, death and mayhem.
"Wanting" or otherwise is not the key issue here, I suspect.
Re: For the record..
No, I do get it. Those parents that believe in God care more about their children's education than agnostics and atheists do about theirs.
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Sam Slater
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Yes......you go and look at the levels of religiosity between the most gifted academics and scientists and compare it to the religiosity of the least educated.
Trolling fail.
Trolling fail.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
Re: For the record..
Blimey, you need to learn the difference between trolling and a little gentle teasing.
Re: Essex Lad
No I agree with you BUT if Labour had put in their 2001 manifesto that they aim to open the borders, let (almost) anyone in, refuse to deport criminal because they have a cat as it's against their human rights and generally abandon totally the working class, the outcome might have been slightly different.
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David Johnson
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Re: Essex Lad
"refuse to deport criminal because they have a cat as it's against their human rights"
Did they bring that law in themselves then? I must have missed it.
"and generally abandon totally the working class, the outcome might have been slightly different."
Well if they had totally abandoned the working class, I doubt if they would have won an overall majority at the next election.
Did they bring that law in themselves then? I must have missed it.
"and generally abandon totally the working class, the outcome might have been slightly different."
Well if they had totally abandoned the working class, I doubt if they would have won an overall majority at the next election.
Re: Essex Lad
David Johnson wrote:
> "refuse to deport criminal because they have a cat as it's
> against their human rights"
>
> Did they bring that law in themselves then? I must have missed
> it.
Labour brought in the Human Rights Act. Tony Blair (remember him?) said that it was his proudest moment in politics.
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> "and generally abandon totally the working class, the outcome
> might have been slightly different."
>
> Well if they had totally abandoned the working class, I doubt
> if they would have won an overall majority at the next
> election.
Well, apart from a lot of Tories voting for them, as you often say who else would they vote for? There was no Ukip in those days... well, there was but no one had heard of them.
Be a bit different next time:
> "refuse to deport criminal because they have a cat as it's
> against their human rights"
>
> Did they bring that law in themselves then? I must have missed
> it.
Labour brought in the Human Rights Act. Tony Blair (remember him?) said that it was his proudest moment in politics.
>
> "and generally abandon totally the working class, the outcome
> might have been slightly different."
>
> Well if they had totally abandoned the working class, I doubt
> if they would have won an overall majority at the next
> election.
Well, apart from a lot of Tories voting for them, as you often say who else would they vote for? There was no Ukip in those days... well, there was but no one had heard of them.
Be a bit different next time: