Is that a little lap dog feinting to bite my ankles? The same lap dog too terrified to reply to my posts? I do believe it is.
!laugh!
Amen to that.
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Sam Slater
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Re: and....
As you can see with his reply to me......it's about him.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
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Milk Tray Man
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Re: and....
Sam Slater wrote:
> As you can see with his reply to me......it's about him.
!laugh!
> As you can see with his reply to me......it's about him.
!laugh!
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David Johnson
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Slater
No. It's about Muslims. This is obvious.
You are the person refusing to answer my posts unless I agree with you in advance and you are the person who makes comments about me in your posts to others rather than taking me on in debate about the issues discussed.
To come out with statements like my defence of Muslims is a "vanity project" to a third party without being prepared to discuss the actual issue with me, illustrates how pathetic you have become.
Very sad. I remember a Sam Slater who was capable of debating the issues. What happened to you?
You are the person refusing to answer my posts unless I agree with you in advance and you are the person who makes comments about me in your posts to others rather than taking me on in debate about the issues discussed.
To come out with statements like my defence of Muslims is a "vanity project" to a third party without being prepared to discuss the actual issue with me, illustrates how pathetic you have become.
Very sad. I remember a Sam Slater who was capable of debating the issues. What happened to you?
Re: Slater
To say that you can only have an opinion if you have personal experience of something doesn't seem very sensible.
I haven't been personally affected by the Boko Haram killings but I still think they are a bad thing.
I haven't been personally affected by drink drivers but I still think they are a bad thing.
I haven't been personally affected by what happened in Abu Ghraib but I still think it was a bad thing.
You don't always have to have experienced something to know it's wrong.
I haven't been personally affected by the Boko Haram killings but I still think they are a bad thing.
I haven't been personally affected by drink drivers but I still think they are a bad thing.
I haven't been personally affected by what happened in Abu Ghraib but I still think it was a bad thing.
You don't always have to have experienced something to know it's wrong.
Re: Amen to that.
Sam Slater wrote:
> Except the analogy doesn't really work of immigrant communities
> that now live here. They're not guests like guests visiting
> someone's house. They're now roommates, paying their proportion
> of the rent, gas, electric and water.
I think that you're spot on, only some people will never accept those of a different origin as anything more than temporary guests.
>
> That may be the problem with a lot of people against Halal.
> They don't care about the animals, the symbolism or religious
> rituals intruding on their secular lives. They just see Muslims
> as 'guests' that come and rearrange the furniture.
>
However, I do think that if the situation was reversed, many Muslim countries would not countenance the imposition of "Western values" in their societies. And that's where for many people the problem lies... It's okay for "them" to come here with their halal meat and hijabs ? we should accept that ? but woe betide the English businessman who wants to open a strip joint in downtown Jeddah.
> Except the analogy doesn't really work of immigrant communities
> that now live here. They're not guests like guests visiting
> someone's house. They're now roommates, paying their proportion
> of the rent, gas, electric and water.
I think that you're spot on, only some people will never accept those of a different origin as anything more than temporary guests.
>
> That may be the problem with a lot of people against Halal.
> They don't care about the animals, the symbolism or religious
> rituals intruding on their secular lives. They just see Muslims
> as 'guests' that come and rearrange the furniture.
>
However, I do think that if the situation was reversed, many Muslim countries would not countenance the imposition of "Western values" in their societies. And that's where for many people the problem lies... It's okay for "them" to come here with their halal meat and hijabs ? we should accept that ? but woe betide the English businessman who wants to open a strip joint in downtown Jeddah.
Re: Milk Tray Man
Can we go back to the time before the second world war ?
If you read up on the Nazi history and apply the thinking that you have stated - can you tell us a time that a nazi had an effect on you personally.
There were more in Germany that had no issues than there were that had - Ask the jews or any other minority group that the nazis had issues with.
So no a personal experiance isnt what we need - however we are all seeing changes and feeling uneasy about what is happening - we can see it.
Lee being killed in the middle of a street in broad daylight that affected me. It made me realise that we are being invaded by a dark force - that we are having muslim fundimentalists walk amoung us - they despise us hate us but are more than willing to live in a country and provides decent living conditions.
A country that has worked hard to develop its infrastructure and take care of its populus.
I go into a pizza hut and get given meat product that is halal, like WFT. Pizza is Italian you tell me where the link is to halal in that ? so there I am eating food that has been prepeared in a way that I would not normally have thought about. The more I read into it the more that I realise that we are regularly being given meat in todays commercial environment that has been prepared that way. Its disgusting.
It goes against our way of life. All slaughter is cruel and the consumption of meat isnt plesant but the halal methods are brutal and inhumane. And needs to be banned not supported or promoted as a norm.
There are far too many immigrants in this country - not just muslims, So yes Id limit the number and id also look to deport as many as I could that are here illegally. Start by getting rid of those without visas - why are they here ? return to country of origin and let them apply from there. Like when they are here we are feeding them food and benefits that we dont need to do.
And dont get me started about the drain of money out to other countries.... why do we still do that ? putting money to India that has a space program - yeah whoes the tubes ? us. we cant control what other countries do with their money but we can sure as hell stop giving out money.
If you read up on the Nazi history and apply the thinking that you have stated - can you tell us a time that a nazi had an effect on you personally.
There were more in Germany that had no issues than there were that had - Ask the jews or any other minority group that the nazis had issues with.
So no a personal experiance isnt what we need - however we are all seeing changes and feeling uneasy about what is happening - we can see it.
Lee being killed in the middle of a street in broad daylight that affected me. It made me realise that we are being invaded by a dark force - that we are having muslim fundimentalists walk amoung us - they despise us hate us but are more than willing to live in a country and provides decent living conditions.
A country that has worked hard to develop its infrastructure and take care of its populus.
I go into a pizza hut and get given meat product that is halal, like WFT. Pizza is Italian you tell me where the link is to halal in that ? so there I am eating food that has been prepeared in a way that I would not normally have thought about. The more I read into it the more that I realise that we are regularly being given meat in todays commercial environment that has been prepared that way. Its disgusting.
It goes against our way of life. All slaughter is cruel and the consumption of meat isnt plesant but the halal methods are brutal and inhumane. And needs to be banned not supported or promoted as a norm.
There are far too many immigrants in this country - not just muslims, So yes Id limit the number and id also look to deport as many as I could that are here illegally. Start by getting rid of those without visas - why are they here ? return to country of origin and let them apply from there. Like when they are here we are feeding them food and benefits that we dont need to do.
And dont get me started about the drain of money out to other countries.... why do we still do that ? putting money to India that has a space program - yeah whoes the tubes ? us. we cant control what other countries do with their money but we can sure as hell stop giving out money.
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David Johnson
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Essex Lad
"To say that you can only have an opinion if you have personal experience of something doesn't seem very sensible."
I am not saying that. WHat I was interested in is what personal experience forumites had of Muslims in their day to day life. I was not suggesting that people can only have an opinion based on personal experience.
Clearly anyone is entitled to have an opinion on something whether it has happened to them in their daily life or not.
I wanted to know to what extent their views were formed purely on what they have read in the media or whether there were any personal experiences to back up the negative way, Muslims and people from other countries are generally portrayed in the British press.
I am not saying that. WHat I was interested in is what personal experience forumites had of Muslims in their day to day life. I was not suggesting that people can only have an opinion based on personal experience.
Clearly anyone is entitled to have an opinion on something whether it has happened to them in their daily life or not.
I wanted to know to what extent their views were formed purely on what they have read in the media or whether there were any personal experiences to back up the negative way, Muslims and people from other countries are generally portrayed in the British press.
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David Johnson
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William
"So no a personal experiance isnt what we need"
I am not seeing personal experience is needed to have an opinion. I am interested to what extent people's views are based on personal experience as opposed to what they have read in the media. -
"It made me realise that we are being invaded by a dark force "
I would imagine the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died as a result of the British and US invasion of Iraq and its aftermath, feel the same way.
"It goes against our way of life. All slaughter is cruel and the consumption of meat isnt plesant but the halal methods are brutal and inhumane."
The method of Halal slaughter in which animals are stunned first and then stuck (90% of all Halal food produced for the UK market) is no more cruel and inhumane whatsoever than the non-halal slaughter.
I am not seeing personal experience is needed to have an opinion. I am interested to what extent people's views are based on personal experience as opposed to what they have read in the media. -
"It made me realise that we are being invaded by a dark force "
I would imagine the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died as a result of the British and US invasion of Iraq and its aftermath, feel the same way.
"It goes against our way of life. All slaughter is cruel and the consumption of meat isnt plesant but the halal methods are brutal and inhumane."
The method of Halal slaughter in which animals are stunned first and then stuck (90% of all Halal food produced for the UK market) is no more cruel and inhumane whatsoever than the non-halal slaughter.
Re: Challenge to Cunty, Raymond, Peter etc
David Johnson wrote:
> So a challenge to you, Raymond, Cunty, Max, Peter and all
> those forumites who seem obsessed by Muslims and deeply
> affected, how have Muslims affected you in your daily life at
> home or at work?
>
> I do not want any Daily Mail stories, what I want is personal
> stories about how Muslims have affected you at home or work.
> In Cunty's case all he can come up with is that there is a few
> less outlets where he can buy a bacon bap which is pretty
> pathetic in terms of impact.
>
> SO lads, over to you, let's here your stories. Let the rest of
> the forumites see what you are made of or whether you, Cunty,
> Raymond, Peter etc. etc. are just empty bags of wind.
I am NOT obsessed by Muslims, so I don't know why you're claiming that I am.
The only thing I said was that I believe anyone moving to another country ought to respect and abide by the ways of that country and not try to impose their own. That was not aimed specifically at Muslims but at everyone.
> So a challenge to you, Raymond, Cunty, Max, Peter and all
> those forumites who seem obsessed by Muslims and deeply
> affected, how have Muslims affected you in your daily life at
> home or at work?
>
> I do not want any Daily Mail stories, what I want is personal
> stories about how Muslims have affected you at home or work.
> In Cunty's case all he can come up with is that there is a few
> less outlets where he can buy a bacon bap which is pretty
> pathetic in terms of impact.
>
> SO lads, over to you, let's here your stories. Let the rest of
> the forumites see what you are made of or whether you, Cunty,
> Raymond, Peter etc. etc. are just empty bags of wind.
I am NOT obsessed by Muslims, so I don't know why you're claiming that I am.
The only thing I said was that I believe anyone moving to another country ought to respect and abide by the ways of that country and not try to impose their own. That was not aimed specifically at Muslims but at everyone.