Should ENGLAND have its own government
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max_tranmere
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David
David, did you read the rest of my long comment? You only seem to have read the first bit. Here is it again.....
Hi David.
"1. I think the Labour party would have had an overall majority, but only just in 2005 if you took Scotland out of the equation."
That is what I said.
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"2. The Tories would have been nowhere near in 97 and 2001 even if you took Scotland out of the equation.
Some have claimed Cameron and most other (probably all other) senior Tories would like Scotland out of the equation, in spite of what Cameron says publicly, because it would mean more of a chance of them regularly winning in Westminster. I agree there was no way they could have won the 1997 and 2001 elections as they were hated by everyone. They got the worst result for any ruling party in 1997 since the Great Reform Act of, I think it was, 1830. From 1997 they had the fewest numbers of MP's they've had since 1906. I remember hearing these stats at the time. In my last post on this thread I said: there would be little chance of Labour being anything other than the Opposition (without Scotland). I'll revise that and say their chances of being anything other than the Opposition is greater without Scotland. Certainly the case with the 2005-2010 parliament.
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"3. THe Tories haven't won an election in overall terms for 23 years by the time the 2015 election rolls round and the disaster in the drop in living standards for the majority of the population would suggest that Call Me Dave isn't going to change Tory fortunes, particularly when Nige "Keep em out, stop employment legislation etc. etc. Farage is going to weaken the Cameron vote."
I think the Conservative party were the most successful political party on earth for about 100 years, I think I'm right in saying they were never in Opposition for more than one term at a time and were often in power for 3 terms in one go. This was until they were blown to pieces in 1997. I remember John Major saying some years later, about his decision to stay on as leader after being challenged in the mid-90's for the leadership: "I will probably wonder until the end of my days whether that was the right decision." He said this when Blair was PM and when he was able to be open about his real feelings on things.
Hi David.
"1. I think the Labour party would have had an overall majority, but only just in 2005 if you took Scotland out of the equation."
That is what I said.
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"2. The Tories would have been nowhere near in 97 and 2001 even if you took Scotland out of the equation.
Some have claimed Cameron and most other (probably all other) senior Tories would like Scotland out of the equation, in spite of what Cameron says publicly, because it would mean more of a chance of them regularly winning in Westminster. I agree there was no way they could have won the 1997 and 2001 elections as they were hated by everyone. They got the worst result for any ruling party in 1997 since the Great Reform Act of, I think it was, 1830. From 1997 they had the fewest numbers of MP's they've had since 1906. I remember hearing these stats at the time. In my last post on this thread I said: there would be little chance of Labour being anything other than the Opposition (without Scotland). I'll revise that and say their chances of being anything other than the Opposition is greater without Scotland. Certainly the case with the 2005-2010 parliament.
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"3. THe Tories haven't won an election in overall terms for 23 years by the time the 2015 election rolls round and the disaster in the drop in living standards for the majority of the population would suggest that Call Me Dave isn't going to change Tory fortunes, particularly when Nige "Keep em out, stop employment legislation etc. etc. Farage is going to weaken the Cameron vote."
I think the Conservative party were the most successful political party on earth for about 100 years, I think I'm right in saying they were never in Opposition for more than one term at a time and were often in power for 3 terms in one go. This was until they were blown to pieces in 1997. I remember John Major saying some years later, about his decision to stay on as leader after being challenged in the mid-90's for the leadership: "I will probably wonder until the end of my days whether that was the right decision." He said this when Blair was PM and when he was able to be open about his real feelings on things.
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max_tranmere
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number6
"Lets be honest if the scots vote for independence(which is very very unlikely looking at the polling and bookies odds) then it will be a damned sight harder for Labour to win general elections."
Agreed.
Agreed.