In my view YES... still part of the UK but then England can do things that the Scots do and soon the Welsh....but better!
Should ENGLAND have its own government
Should ENGLAND have its own government
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cockneygeezer2009
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Re: Should ENGLAND have its own government
Couldn't care less if we were run by the EU, UK parliament or a solely English parliament. They would be run by politicians. We all know what the politicians record is on running anything. Doesn't matter who runs what, it will never satisfy all the people. all of the time.
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Re: Should ENGLAND have its own government
And be stuck with a Tory English government for the rest of eternity? No thanks.
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Arginald Valleywater
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Re: Should ENGLAND have its own government
No becuase London would squeeze the life out of the rest of us.
Re: Should ENGLAND have its own government
No because I pay enough tax as it is. While we're at it, I'd dismantle the London Assembly, the Scottish Parliament, the Northern Ireland and Wales assemblies and the Northeast Development Council and pay local councillors basic expenses.
I want fewer politicians not more of the sods. I have representing my interests an MP, an MEP, a London Assembly member and three local councillors. What in God's name do they all do?
When the London Assembly was first mooted we were told it would cost a Band D council taxpayer an additional 5p a week ? about ?1.50 a year. I pay almost ?300 a year for it. And if we ever have an English Parliament that would cost us all hundreds of pounds in extra tax. No thank you.
There are 650-odd (some very odd) MPs in the Commons and about 1,000 in the Lords. Why do we need so many when America gets by with 100 senators and about 450 representatives. We could easily get by with about 200 in the Commons.
I want fewer politicians not more of the sods. I have representing my interests an MP, an MEP, a London Assembly member and three local councillors. What in God's name do they all do?
When the London Assembly was first mooted we were told it would cost a Band D council taxpayer an additional 5p a week ? about ?1.50 a year. I pay almost ?300 a year for it. And if we ever have an English Parliament that would cost us all hundreds of pounds in extra tax. No thank you.
There are 650-odd (some very odd) MPs in the Commons and about 1,000 in the Lords. Why do we need so many when America gets by with 100 senators and about 450 representatives. We could easily get by with about 200 in the Commons.
Re: Should ENGLAND have its own government
So it looks like the Scots and welsh can continue to have no tuition fees, no prescription charges etc. and paid for, mainly, by the English tax payer...
well that's put that one to bed!
well that's put that one to bed!
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David Johnson
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Von Boy
"So it looks like the Scots and welsh can continue to have no tuition fees, no prescription charges etc. and paid for, mainly, by the English tax payer...
well that's put that one to bed!"
Like the vast majority of your posts whether they are about Mo Farah, immigration, the toughness of the Swiss army etc. this is total bilge. If I were you, I would reconsider the "Proud to be Von Boy" moniker.
The existence of an English parliament would have limited, if any, effect on whether the Scottish or Welsh people decided to have prescription charges or not.
Why is that?
1. Wales and Scotland have devolution in which areas such as health and education are under the control of the Welsh and Scottish parliament.
2. These devolved parliaments can take a view as to whether they want to make prescriptions free or not. The Tory led coalition government prefers to spend money on giving the rich tax cuts and the investment sector that owns the Tory party huge windfalls through their hopelessly undervalued sell-off of Royal Mail. The Welsh and Scottish parliaments prefer to spend money on free prescriptions.
3. The Scottish government in particular would challenge your assumption that no prescription charges is funded by the English tax payer. The Barnett formula used by the Treasury to allocate funds is a fairly unwieldy, unreliable method of allocating those funds.
4. There is an on going move to giving Scotland and Wales more and more devolved powers as part of "devo max". This will provide those countries with more flexibility in tax raising and spending powers, irrespective of whether there is an English parliament or not.
5. If you look at the breakdown of seats you would realise that you can argue that the English already have their own parliament. It's called the Houses of Parliament. The number of English seats hugely outnumbers those of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland combined.
well that's put that one to bed!"
Like the vast majority of your posts whether they are about Mo Farah, immigration, the toughness of the Swiss army etc. this is total bilge. If I were you, I would reconsider the "Proud to be Von Boy" moniker.
The existence of an English parliament would have limited, if any, effect on whether the Scottish or Welsh people decided to have prescription charges or not.
Why is that?
1. Wales and Scotland have devolution in which areas such as health and education are under the control of the Welsh and Scottish parliament.
2. These devolved parliaments can take a view as to whether they want to make prescriptions free or not. The Tory led coalition government prefers to spend money on giving the rich tax cuts and the investment sector that owns the Tory party huge windfalls through their hopelessly undervalued sell-off of Royal Mail. The Welsh and Scottish parliaments prefer to spend money on free prescriptions.
3. The Scottish government in particular would challenge your assumption that no prescription charges is funded by the English tax payer. The Barnett formula used by the Treasury to allocate funds is a fairly unwieldy, unreliable method of allocating those funds.
4. There is an on going move to giving Scotland and Wales more and more devolved powers as part of "devo max". This will provide those countries with more flexibility in tax raising and spending powers, irrespective of whether there is an English parliament or not.
5. If you look at the breakdown of seats you would realise that you can argue that the English already have their own parliament. It's called the Houses of Parliament. The number of English seats hugely outnumbers those of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland combined.
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frankthring
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Re: Von Boy
Must agree in part with Cockney Geezer and David Johnson on this one. You seem to forget, Von Boy, that if a new parliament was created just for the English counties it would mean not just more politicians, whom we all distrust and/or hate, but hordes of more bureaucrats. What with the stupid Welsh and Scottish assemblies, not to mention Euro MPs and their ilk, we have enough of all these sods already. Too many "cooks" spoil the broth is an old saying but applicable here I think.
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Dave Wells
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Re: Should ENGLAND have its own government
Yes we should but if David Johnson has his way it would be run by Karl Marx