Mandelson confesses all about immigration

[David Johnson]

"Hang on, you say Mandelson is disgruntled then when I ask what he has to be disgruntled about, you reply "God knows". So how do you even know he is disgruntled?"

Well, like I said he knows that Ed Miliband is distancing himself from the likes of Blair and Mandelson and trying to set his own agenda which in itself is an irritation for one of the architects of "New Labour" , namely Mandelson.

"Not necessarily, it could just be another thing that governments (of all hues) are crap at."

Well, let's just say it is a helluva lot easier to let immigrants in at a time when thousands of potential immigrants were at camps such as Sangatte in France than it is to keep immigrants out!! Clearly if the Labour government had wanted to let all and sundry in they could have had millions coming in from Asia, I would have thought if they had put their mind to it. Instead they introduced a points system for non EU citizens.

"True but then Labour lied and lied again saying that only 13,000 would come over when it is more than a million."

I don't know if they lied or not. What they definitely did do was make a big error of judgement in not bringing in transition arrangements.

"I was under the impression that EU citizens could vote in local elections but not general ones."

You are right. But the whole slant of the Daily Mail article was about how to avoid more general election defeats like the ones that Labour had incurred against Thatcher and Eastern Europeans cannot vote in Westminster elections unless they become UK citizens.

"How had the party managed to suffer a third debilitating defeat at the handbag of the hated Margaret Thatcher? Most of the dwindling band of delegates simply couldn?t comprehend why millions of ?their? people had voted Conservative yet again.

"Mandelson, together with the ruthlessly ambitious young men and women who would subsequently form the nucleus of New Labour in the mid-Nineties, concluded that if they could no longer take the support of the white working class for granted, they would have to import a new working class from overseas.

[max_tranmere]

I read that Richard Littlejohn article. Apparently Mandelson will need to pay ?42,000 a month to sustain a mortgage on a gaff costing ?8m, this is about half a million quid a year, and he could afford that seeing as he earns ?1m a year from one of the jobs he has. He also has other incomes. By the way the house is next to Regents Park, by the north-east corner of the park, adjacent to that large church. I know the Regents Park area very well.

[Essex Lad]

max_tranmere wrote:

> I read that Richard Littlejohn article. Apparently Mandelson
> will need to pay ?42,000 a month to sustain a mortgage on a
> gaff costing ?8m, this is about half a million quid a year, and
> he could afford that seeing as he earns ?1m a year from one of
> the jobs he has. He also has other incomes. By the way the
> house is next to Regents Park, by the north-east corner of the
> park, adjacent to that large church. I know the Regents Park
> area very well.

I believe the house is mortgage free ? hence my wondering where the money comes from.