I think its fair to say if you're on benefits in tory/lib dem britain you are not free,i thought we fought for freedoms,now you are only free to do as you please if you are in work it seems,you must not have booze,fags,be overweight or have 5 mins rest from job searching or we will starve you.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/ ... efits-cuts
get down the gym or ,lose your benefits!!
Re: get down the gym or ,lose your benefits!!
well why should hard working people have to put up with all the shite... let them on benefits join in... after all they have had yearly higher percentage pay rises than say a GP, Nurse and even a BA captain!!!
we're all in this together...
we're all in this together...
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David Johnson
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Von Boy
This argument is nonsensical. People on benefits have only seen benefits rise in line with inflation. Therefore in any meaningful sense they are no better off. They are just keeping pace with inflation.
The fundamental argument is this:
"Private sector workers have been taking a real kicking from their employers because many of them have had no pay rises for several years which means as a result of inflation, many have had a real terms pay cut of 20%. That is why the working poor have turned increasingly to food banks. The private sector workers are largely not in a union which makes it very difficult to defend themselves against this.
What we (Tories, Lib Dems, fellow travellers) would like to do is give a similar kicking to the unemployed"
The real question is why on earth should private sector workers in low paid jobs and the unemployed take a real kicking to pay for the damage done to the economy by a hopelessly regulated investment banking sector whilst the real villains come up smelling of roses and quids in?
The fundamental argument is this:
"Private sector workers have been taking a real kicking from their employers because many of them have had no pay rises for several years which means as a result of inflation, many have had a real terms pay cut of 20%. That is why the working poor have turned increasingly to food banks. The private sector workers are largely not in a union which makes it very difficult to defend themselves against this.
What we (Tories, Lib Dems, fellow travellers) would like to do is give a similar kicking to the unemployed"
The real question is why on earth should private sector workers in low paid jobs and the unemployed take a real kicking to pay for the damage done to the economy by a hopelessly regulated investment banking sector whilst the real villains come up smelling of roses and quids in?
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David Johnson
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Von Boy - the percentage ploy!
And would you rather have a 5% rise on a jobseeker's allowance rate of say, ?70 a week or a 4% rise on a doctor's salary of ?2K a week?
Percentages are not very useful in this argument, are they?
Percentages are not very useful in this argument, are they?
Re: D Johnson... who do you call
Sorry I would much prefer the doctor the nurse and the pilot to have a pay increase....along with the 1000's of hard working people... enough said!
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"Sorry I would much prefer the doctor the nurse and the pilot to have a pay increase....along with the 1000's of hard working people... enough said!"
This of course is the classic Tory line - private sector - good!. Unemployed - shirkers. However you completely fail to answer the points I make as to why should the unemployed get hammered as well as the working poor for problems they had no part in creating?
Maybe you should advise the doctors, nurses and pilots to use their strength as workers to try to get higher pay if you think it is justified?
Secondly, it is clearly not an "either/or" with regard to nurses for example. If you think that by freezing benefits so that people take a cut in their benefits taking into account of inflation, private sector workers or nurses are going to get paid more is highly unlikely with this government.
Divide and rule is the policy. Get the employed to hate the unemployed. Get workers to hate pensioners. Get the private sector workers to hate the public sector workers.
That's the name of the Tory game and increasingly people will see through it.
This of course is the classic Tory line - private sector - good!. Unemployed - shirkers. However you completely fail to answer the points I make as to why should the unemployed get hammered as well as the working poor for problems they had no part in creating?
Maybe you should advise the doctors, nurses and pilots to use their strength as workers to try to get higher pay if you think it is justified?
Secondly, it is clearly not an "either/or" with regard to nurses for example. If you think that by freezing benefits so that people take a cut in their benefits taking into account of inflation, private sector workers or nurses are going to get paid more is highly unlikely with this government.
Divide and rule is the policy. Get the employed to hate the unemployed. Get workers to hate pensioners. Get the private sector workers to hate the public sector workers.
That's the name of the Tory game and increasingly people will see through it.
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Re: D Johnson... who do you call
Good call VB!! The main food groups among the workshy are not meat, veg, liquid, fibre, etc but lager, pot noodles, crisps, lager, pizza and various other takeaways.....
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"The main food groups among the workshy are not meat, veg, liquid, fibre, etc but lager, pot noodles, crisps, lager, pizza and various other takeaways....."
I will leave you to explain that to the 6000 Comet workers that have just been made redundant, many of them after decades of work there.
Clearly benefit cuts apply to all the unemployed not just the ones who do not want to work.
I will leave you to explain that to the 6000 Comet workers that have just been made redundant, many of them after decades of work there.
Clearly benefit cuts apply to all the unemployed not just the ones who do not want to work.
Eric Pickles MP
I'm all for the obese being made to slim otherwise lose all their taxpayers cash so our friend Eric can be the first to loose weight or loose his cash.
Re: Von Boy
The reason that I have issues with the Unemployed getting a rise is that the rise comes from taxes which the working person has to pay. This is the crux. I see the way that the benefit culture has developed and fed itself to the point that it is obscene.......
How can it be that it is better for someone to be on benefit than to go out and work. That is wrong and something that needs to be addressed.
What about the person that enters this country and stays - they seem to get a hell of a lot of benefits for someone that has not paid into the system.
They say its not black and white this that there is some grey areas - no its not it really is simple and it would be really easy to sort out. If you are here illegally then you are deported - no long legal cases to fight - you have no right to be here and you are so you are deported to your point of origin and you have to fight your case from there - and not with money legal aid or anything like that from this country. Why should we ?you have no right to be here. This is simple fact - If I came home and someone was in my house that shouldnt be then I would show them the door... so we should be doing the same - its not racist ! there are those out there that think it is, Ill say its descrimatory - but purely through removing you from here as you have no right to be here.
This country is in such a mess with such namby pamby hand wrenching. simple kick em out. Look at how the french seem to love dumping them at the channel tunnel in the hope they bugger of to the UK - this tells you we are too soft - if they are trying to get here then why ? soft touch thats why.
How can it be that it is better for someone to be on benefit than to go out and work. That is wrong and something that needs to be addressed.
What about the person that enters this country and stays - they seem to get a hell of a lot of benefits for someone that has not paid into the system.
They say its not black and white this that there is some grey areas - no its not it really is simple and it would be really easy to sort out. If you are here illegally then you are deported - no long legal cases to fight - you have no right to be here and you are so you are deported to your point of origin and you have to fight your case from there - and not with money legal aid or anything like that from this country. Why should we ?you have no right to be here. This is simple fact - If I came home and someone was in my house that shouldnt be then I would show them the door... so we should be doing the same - its not racist ! there are those out there that think it is, Ill say its descrimatory - but purely through removing you from here as you have no right to be here.
This country is in such a mess with such namby pamby hand wrenching. simple kick em out. Look at how the french seem to love dumping them at the channel tunnel in the hope they bugger of to the UK - this tells you we are too soft - if they are trying to get here then why ? soft touch thats why.