videokim wrote:
> Humor me here guys...i read an article a few weeks back that
> only about 20% of people who watch porn pay for it, my logic is
> this new proposed scheme would encourage the serious people who
> freely already pay to download to do so under a more controlled
> process.
Well Jimslip (for one) seems to believe that an opt-in scheme would eliminate all the "freebie hunters", leaving just the "serious" porn consumers (i.e. those punters who are happy to pay for it) and that a new Golden Age will dawn for all the legit sites (such as his own).
Personally (and for what it's worth) I think this is a bit naive because a full-opt in would probably put off a lot of people (freebie hunters and payers alike) from viewing porn online full stop, as they might - understandably - be reluctant to declare to their ISPs (and by extension the government) that "I AM A PORN CONSUMER!!!" Because even though mainstream porn isn't illegal, who's to say that at some point either this or a future Labour government won't decide that anyone looking at porn is a bit dodgy and so needs watching?
But from my understanding of it, this latest proposal falls short of a full opt-in and applies only when you buy and set up a new computer "in homes where there are children living". A bit of a fudge in other words.
- Eric
Cameron vows new online porn curbs
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Latest proposal falls short of a full opt-in and applies only when you buy and set up a new computer "in homes where there are children living".
Yep another fudge. Or as I prefer to call it an ill thought out policy purely to appeal to Daily Mail readers.
How is this going to work then? Is everyone who walks in to PC World going to have to declare whether or not the bit of kit you are buying "is going to be set up in a household where children live". Or is it when you sign-up to a new ISP you are going to have to make the declaration? What checks are going to be undertaken to confirm you are telling the truth?
What's the definition of "a household where children live".
If you are a divorced Dad who has his kids to stay at weekends, is that "a household where children live"
I've read the forum on the Daily Mail website. Most of the comments are along the lines of the Government should butt-out, it's parents responsibility to manage what their kids look at not the Government.
I don't really see who Cameron is trying to pander to here, I think society has moved on.
I could be wrong but, I reckon this will be kicked into the long grass.
Yep another fudge. Or as I prefer to call it an ill thought out policy purely to appeal to Daily Mail readers.
How is this going to work then? Is everyone who walks in to PC World going to have to declare whether or not the bit of kit you are buying "is going to be set up in a household where children live". Or is it when you sign-up to a new ISP you are going to have to make the declaration? What checks are going to be undertaken to confirm you are telling the truth?
What's the definition of "a household where children live".
If you are a divorced Dad who has his kids to stay at weekends, is that "a household where children live"
I've read the forum on the Daily Mail website. Most of the comments are along the lines of the Government should butt-out, it's parents responsibility to manage what their kids look at not the Government.
I don't really see who Cameron is trying to pander to here, I think society has moved on.
I could be wrong but, I reckon this will be kicked into the long grass.
spider
spider wrote:
[quote]I could be wrong but, I reckon this will be kicked into the long grass. [/quote]
Not sure it will be, spider. It seems to be one of his pet obsessions that he's determined to pursue (gay marriage being another) and he's appointed that fusspot Claire Perry to oversee it.
The gay marriage thing is to try and make him (and by extension the Tories) look all "right-on" and "in touch" (even though it's not a matter of major concern to most folks, gays included), whereas this porn crusade is for the benefit of the Hoem Counties blue rinse and cream tea set to show how seriously he takes "family values".
And of course both are convenient distractions from things that really matter, such as the economy, the NHS, the price of fuel, inflation etc. etc., all of which he and his minions have failed miserably to address.
- Eric
[quote]I could be wrong but, I reckon this will be kicked into the long grass. [/quote]
Not sure it will be, spider. It seems to be one of his pet obsessions that he's determined to pursue (gay marriage being another) and he's appointed that fusspot Claire Perry to oversee it.
The gay marriage thing is to try and make him (and by extension the Tories) look all "right-on" and "in touch" (even though it's not a matter of major concern to most folks, gays included), whereas this porn crusade is for the benefit of the Hoem Counties blue rinse and cream tea set to show how seriously he takes "family values".
And of course both are convenient distractions from things that really matter, such as the economy, the NHS, the price of fuel, inflation etc. etc., all of which he and his minions have failed miserably to address.
- Eric
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Re: Cameron vows new online porn curbs
Zorro wrote:
"Does it matter if people know you watch porn?
It is hard for me to guage this as I have sold porn for 12 years and everyone I know knows what I do and I readily tell them how much I watch and recommend stuff to them, the more open people are about what they watch the less it will be seen as a social stigma, which is what you are saying it is"
Hi Zorro, its important that you (and I) dont assume the average man is comfortable about porn at all. They are made to feel uncomfortable by those inthe company they keep. The judgement and derision they face at the knowledge of him watching porn means that he must masturbate to it and the stigma of watching porn is by those who are sad and socially inadequate to get a real girlfriend.
You and I would say, "happy days for personal freedom" but for the average bloke it would be the shame associated with porn that is a burden you and I dont understand
I used to deal with many customers directly and its being in touch with the consumer that highlights the problems that stem from purchasing porn.
"Does it matter if people know you watch porn?
It is hard for me to guage this as I have sold porn for 12 years and everyone I know knows what I do and I readily tell them how much I watch and recommend stuff to them, the more open people are about what they watch the less it will be seen as a social stigma, which is what you are saying it is"
Hi Zorro, its important that you (and I) dont assume the average man is comfortable about porn at all. They are made to feel uncomfortable by those inthe company they keep. The judgement and derision they face at the knowledge of him watching porn means that he must masturbate to it and the stigma of watching porn is by those who are sad and socially inadequate to get a real girlfriend.
You and I would say, "happy days for personal freedom" but for the average bloke it would be the shame associated with porn that is a burden you and I dont understand
I used to deal with many customers directly and its being in touch with the consumer that highlights the problems that stem from purchasing porn.
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Re: Cameron vows new online porn curbs
Flat Eric...
Yes I see where you are coming from with the old distraction strategy.
I can also see that it could be part of the old "divide and rule" technique he has adopted.
The groups responsible for the problems the country is facing are
unemployed = scroungers
public service workers = lazy bastards who are paid too much
Old people = drain on the state
The BBC = left wing agitators
and now consumers of porn join the list.
It reminds me of the old Thatcher mantra about "the enemy within".
Yes I see where you are coming from with the old distraction strategy.
I can also see that it could be part of the old "divide and rule" technique he has adopted.
The groups responsible for the problems the country is facing are
unemployed = scroungers
public service workers = lazy bastards who are paid too much
Old people = drain on the state
The BBC = left wing agitators
and now consumers of porn join the list.
It reminds me of the old Thatcher mantra about "the enemy within".