The Rolling Stones Crossfire Hurricane documentary

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Arginald Valleywater
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Re: The Rolling Stones Crossfire Hurricane documentary

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Interesting shows but apart from Charlie I can't warm to any of them. They have an unpleasant arrogance, matched only by McCartney, that they are far more important than other bands. Saying that I do like their new song, best thing they've done in ages.
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Packed gig at the 02

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max_tranmere
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Altamont...

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The Altamont disaster left a long ugly shadow over everything. It not only, as far as many people were concerned, basically closed the 1960's and summed up what that generation of people had (or rather hadn't) been about, but it was also said to have inspired several lines of Don Maclean's legendary song "American Pie". The Hells Angels felt so let-down by the Rolling Stones and were so angry over comments made by the band afterwards that it is said there were attempts to murder the band several times in later years. These claims have appeared in a number of books and I've just found this on Wikipedia:

"...In 2008, a former FBI agent asserted that some members of the Hells Angels had conspired to murder Mick Jagger in retribution for The Rolling Stones' lack of support following the concert, and for the negative portrayal of the Angels in the Gimme Shelter film. The conspirators reportedly used a boat to approach a residence where Jagger was staying on Long Island, New York; the plot failing when the boat was nearly sunk by a storm. Jagger's spokesperson has refused to comment on the matter..."

In his book 'Stone Alone' Bill Wyman said the two worst and most significant things that ever happened to the Rolling Stones (and this band has lasted longer than any other band ever) were "the death of Brian Jones and Altamont".

Something else from Wikipedia about Altamont:

"...The music magazine Rolling Stone stated, ?Altamont was the product of diabolical egotism, hype, ineptitude, money manipulation, and, at base, a fundamental lack of concern for humanity?, in a 14-page, 11-author article on the event entitled "Let it Bleed" published in their January 21, 1970 issue. The article covered the many issues with the event's organization and was very critical of the organizers and the Rolling Stones; one writer stated: ?what an enormous thrill it would have been for an Angel to kick Mick Jagger's teeth down his throat..."

I've just done some research online and have discovered the name of the organiser who had to stay behind for weeks in the USA to try and sort out the aftermath of the Altamont disaster. His name is Sam Cutler and he wrote a book. I might buy it. Link:

max_tranmere
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Re: Packed gig at the 02

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Was great to see Bill Wyman performing with them again (I saw this in another clip on YouTube). The world's oldest rocker - I think he is now 76!
David Johnson
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Max

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You are right that there is no Part 3.

I really enjoyed the two documentaries. If you haven't already read it, I can recommend the Keith Richards autobiography, Life. A really interesting read and covers a lot of the ground subsequent to the two documentaries just shown.

They still seem able to cut it live. Here is a killer version of Satisfaction that looks fairly recent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saloTsNZ ... re=related
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Re: Packed gig at the 02

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if anyone paid ?800 to go see these pensioners make pricks of themselves they need to go have a long look in the mirror
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David

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Replying now as I've been offline for a few days.

I've not read Keith Richards' book "Life" but it's on my list of things to read. It sounds interesting but he comes over as quite a nasty person in one excert I did read. There was an incident where his partner Anita Pallenberg was in bed with a 17 year old lad called Scott Cantrell. She was 37 and off her tits on heroin all the time. Keith was aged 38 or 39, was also a junkie, and was abroad with the band at this particular time. She and Scott Cantrell were playing Russian roulette and the kid blew his head off in Keith and Anita's bed.

I've copied and pasted the following to here, it is from an article about the book and contains direct quotes and also a few things the writer of the article says aswell:

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While he and the band were in Europe, 17-year-old Scott Cantrell shot himself in the head while allegedly playing Russian roulette in bed with Anita Pallenberg, Keith's infamous paramour and mother of several of his children.

"Things went beyond the point of return with Anita when her young boyfriend blew his brains out in our house. ... The boy had shot himself in the face, playing Russian roulette, the story goes," Keith writes. "I had met him. He was this crazy little kid, aged seventeen, Anita's boyfriend. I said to her, listen, baby, I'm leaving, we're over, we're finished, but this is not the guy for you. And he proved it. The reason she went with this guy, who was an absolute prick, was, I think, to piss me off."

Keith and Anita's son, Marlon, adds a brutal childhood memory of Scott, and remembers as a 9-year-old sneaking a peek of the "brain matter all over the walls" in the hours after the fatal shooting. "He kept telling me -- a really nasty kid -- he kept saying he was going to shoot Keith, and that upset me, so I was kind of relieved when he shot himself," Marlon is quoted as saying. "I don't think he intended to shoot himself, really, just an idiot of seventeen who was stoned, angry, playing with a pistol."

Right after the death, People magazine covered the story and interviewed Cantrell's family.

"Anita did not bother to call the Cantrells the night of Scott's death, though [Scott's brother] Jim lives only minutes away, and his brother was alive for almost two hours after the shooting. Nor has Anita tried since to explain what happened. ...

"The Cantrells can muster little sympathy for Anita's problems. They are convinced that if Scott hadn't met her he would be alive today. 'People fail to understand that this was a 37-year-old woman and a 17-year-old child,' says Jim."
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Keith and Anita come over as quite nasty people with regard to all of this. I intend reading "Life" though.
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