Child Benefit capped at two

[David Johnson]

"That's right, just confirmed it with a local and the Swiss do not have any form of child benefit payments... you sow your seed you pay... "

I suspect the locals took one look at you and decided here is a another scrounging immigrant. He looks gullible so we will give him any old baloney.

Anyway......

"Family allowances
The latest federal law on family allowances is effective since the 1 January 2009. The law specifies a child benefit of at least CHF 200 and an education allowance of at least CHF 250. Benefits take the form of family allowances of at least

CHF 200 per child, per month for children up to the age of 16;
education allowances for 16-25 year olds still in education of at least CHF 250 per child, per month. The cantons may grant benefits that are higher than the legal minimum. "

Has the law changed very recently then? You'll be telling us the Swiss Army is the toughest in the world next.

!wink!

[Essex Lad]

I didn't say that it was a huge incentive as you would know if you'd read the post rather than just replying with your usual sarcasm.

Before the advent of child benefit, did families not have children? My grandparents never received child benefit and still had 11 kids between them...

Families have children because they want to but that doesn't mean they should expect the state to contribute more than healthcare and education.

[David Johnson]

"I didn't say that it was a huge incentive as you would know if you'd read the post rather than just replying with your usual sarcasm. "

If you do not want posters to be a little sarcastic, then it is probably best not to state stuff like "One might argue why should anyone receive child benefit?"

Well how about making a case if that is what you believe?

Here's another example

"Before the advent of child benefit, did families not have children?

My grandparents never received child benefit and still had 11 kids between them..."

Ah yes, the good old days of Dickensian Britain. Never did me any harm cleaning a chimney at 6 years of age. 1930's Britain, we never had it so good.

I apologise for my sarcasm. Onto some info.


Look at the graph of male/female life expectancy in this article. Make a note of the rise in life expectancy between 2000 and 2012 for example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17811732

Now look at the birth rate information. Now even given that medicine has made a big improvement in child mortality rates, the median age of the population is rising.

http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/data_ ... VITAL&id=2

And even if you look at the last 12 years, you see that the birth rate is not keeping pace with the increase in life expectancy.

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=uk&v=25

If you choose, for example, not to support families who have children at all, what do you expect the results to be?

I will leave Max to comment on the issue of Muslim birth rates since this is something he regularly references!!!!

[Essex Lad]

David Johnson wrote:

> "I didn't say that it was a huge incentive as you would know if
> you'd read the post rather than just replying with your usual
> sarcasm. "
>
> If you do not want posters to be a little sarcastic, then it is
> probably best not to state stuff like "One might argue why
> should anyone receive child benefit?"
>
> Well how about making a case if that is what you believe?
>
> Here's another example
>
> "Before the advent of child benefit, did families not have
> children?
>
> My grandparents never received child benefit and still had 11
> kids between them..."
>
> Ah yes, the good old days of Dickensian Britain. Never did me
> any harm cleaning a chimney at 6 years of age. 1930s Britain,
> we never had it so good.

Dickensian? He died in 1870. How old do you think I am????

But you have already said that it is too derisory a sum to be an incentive to have children, so obviously people are having children because they want them. Will they stop having them if all child benefit was abolished?

[David Johnson]

"Dickensian? He died in 1870. How old do you think I am????"

I have absolutely no idea how old you are. That's why I mentioned the 1930's as a complete guess. If you spent more time on trying to back up your arguments, you might engender more respect.

"But you have already said that it is too derisory a sum to be an incentive to have children, so obviously people are having children because they want them. Will they stop having them if all child benefit was abolished?"

You are badly informed as usual. Child benefit is one payment. There are others such as statutory maternity pay, child tax credits, Surestart maternity grants etc etc.

[Arginald Valleywater]

With the global population spiralling out of control due to uneducated Asians and the Roman Catholics shagging like rabbits we need to exercise some level of control. In my job I see countless single mothers, 3 kids to 3 different fathers in 4 years..who see a child as more income. Having children for the money aspect is morally wrong. Have a child if you can afford and will love it, not for an extra ?15 a week.

[David Johnson]

"In my job I see countless single mothers, 3 kids to 3 different fathers in 4 years..who see a child as more income"

Yes we all know about the job from hell working in a Housing Association that strangely you have ended up in. It's a bit like Himmler getting a cleaning job in the local synagogue, isn't it?


However, perhaps you could explain:

1. The costs of feeding and clothing a child.
2. The specific child benefits the state gives a long term unemployed person.

and then

3. Take the value of 2 from 1.
4. Do you get a positive or negative number?

Over to you Argie, put up or shut up!

[RoddersUK]

Nothing wrong with shagging like rabbits Arginald, it's only when they breed like rabbits that the problems arise.
I used to shag like a rabbit in my youth, as I suspect many others did. To the best of my knowledge I have no offspring from the other side of the sheets, only a daughter and son with my wife of 42 years.

[Flat_Eric]

David Johnson wrote:

> Child benefit is one payment.
> There are others such as statutory maternity pay, child tax
> credits, Surestart maternity grants etc etc.


All of which some may see as a tidy incentive to have children, or at least not to worry too much if they do get up the duff because Joe Taxpayer will foot at least some of the bill.

You seem to be trying to argue it both ways in this thread David.

Either bennies are generous or they aren't. Either they're an incentive or they're not.

- Eric

[Essex Lad]

You think I'm in my 80s? By the way there is no apostrophe in 1930s. You seem to be rather good at remembering what people have said and quoting it back to them - so, you will have seen that I mentioned in response to one of your earlier posts that I wasn't alive in 1959... Or 1960 or 1961 or 1962 etc etc.

Child benefit is not one payment - tax rebates are one payment. Child benefit is an ongoing payment that you get weekly until 16 or 18 if in full-time education.

And again since you often accuse people of going off on tangents ? I thought this thread was about child benefit not "statutory maternity pay, child tax credits, Surestart maternity grants".