"So perhaps someone ought to point this out to all those wanky fuckers who are currently rioting and setting fire to Western embassies in various countries, and those mad cunts in Luton and London burning poppies and waving palcards that say "Death to infidels" and "Islam will take over".
And as well to those "mad cunts in Luton" and most British cities waving placards and chanting "Death to Islam" and "Pakis fuck off" whilst making Nazi salutes.
It is worth pointing out Eric that the estimates of the Muslim population in the UK in 2030, 8.8 million from a current 4.6 million rather dwarves in size the rag tag mob seen in Luton and London making idiots of themselves and their religion with poppy burning and "Death to Infidels" crap.
By the way the report I reference was featured quite heavily in the Daily Mail as well as the Guardian.
Must be right, eh?
Muslims are revolting ?
Re: Muslims are revolting ?
Must say I never had you down as a Daily Mail reader David.
Your "guilty pleasure" is it?
I can just see you ripping off your shirt afterwards and self-flagellating while chanting to yourself "bad boy David ... bad boy David ... bad boy David ... " with each stroke.
Maybe we ought to have a whip-round (geddit?!) and get you one of these for Christmas. That way you can save time and effort as you whip yourself raw while giving us all the benefit of your "wisdom" on here at the same time.
Keep it all hands-free. You know it makes sense.
- Eric
Your "guilty pleasure" is it?
I can just see you ripping off your shirt afterwards and self-flagellating while chanting to yourself "bad boy David ... bad boy David ... bad boy David ... " with each stroke.
Maybe we ought to have a whip-round (geddit?!) and get you one of these for Christmas. That way you can save time and effort as you whip yourself raw while giving us all the benefit of your "wisdom" on here at the same time.
Keep it all hands-free. You know it makes sense.
- Eric
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David Johnson
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Steady on Eric
"Must say I never had you down as a Daily Mail reader David."
It's the wonders of the interweb and the google by which you can see the search results and display them without actually paying money.
Ever so handy.
"I can just see you ripping off your shirt afterwards and self-flagellating while chanting to yourself "bad boy David ... bad boy David ... bad boy David ... " with each stroke."
Steady on Eric, it's Sunday teatime, you know.
I am tucking into Earl Grey and crumpets with butter and jam at Johnson Towers and the last thing I want to read about is some bloke's S&M fantasy about me.
I have enough hassle from women treating me as a sex object rather than appreciating my brain, but to get the same reaction from blokes on the BGAFD forum is completely beyond the pale.
At this rate you will be fantasisng about the size of my cock next.
Stop it! Enough!
PS Note from Sam Slater? "Rodders is ya man for that malarkey, Eric!!!"
It's the wonders of the interweb and the google by which you can see the search results and display them without actually paying money.
Ever so handy.
"I can just see you ripping off your shirt afterwards and self-flagellating while chanting to yourself "bad boy David ... bad boy David ... bad boy David ... " with each stroke."
Steady on Eric, it's Sunday teatime, you know.
I am tucking into Earl Grey and crumpets with butter and jam at Johnson Towers and the last thing I want to read about is some bloke's S&M fantasy about me.
I have enough hassle from women treating me as a sex object rather than appreciating my brain, but to get the same reaction from blokes on the BGAFD forum is completely beyond the pale.
At this rate you will be fantasisng about the size of my cock next.
Stop it! Enough!
PS Note from Sam Slater? "Rodders is ya man for that malarkey, Eric!!!"
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max_tranmere
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in reply...
Lots of interesting comments there.
I've not said we are a currently in a situation where we're majority muslim and have freedom of speech, equality, and alcohol availability done away with - but we will be in that position in the future I am sure. Muslims, even the moderate ones, have little interest in adapting to western ways (yet bizarrely choose in large numbers to move to the west) so I think as the numbers increase there will be more and more demands from them for different sets of rules for their ever expanding communities. I can genuinely see separate homelands for muslims in Britain in the future. As their numbers go from being in the millions to being in the tens of millions in Britain they will more and more become a voice that can't be ignored and Government's will bow to their demands.
Muslim men in Britain don't want equality for women, many demand their wives cover up before they go out, and it's always puzzled me why people don't say this is wrong - just like they would if any other community did it. We have Sharia Courts in Britain, but they currently have no legal powers, they are basically local mediation bodies that solve local disputes but I can see these getting more and more power and probably having full legal powers in years to come. Ask yourselves: could the demands of a community numbering tens of millions be ignored, and could a government really just keep trying to demand these people live by the western way of doing things in years to come when so many don't want to?
There will also be votes in for politicians and many will go along with the demands in order to get elected in constituencies. I think out grand kids have major problems coming for them - this country, along with most of western Europe, will be very unstable years from now and the politicians who caused all these problems will either be dead or will still be counting the millions they earned from trading off the contacts they made whilst in politics and living in one of their many mansions.
I've not said we are a currently in a situation where we're majority muslim and have freedom of speech, equality, and alcohol availability done away with - but we will be in that position in the future I am sure. Muslims, even the moderate ones, have little interest in adapting to western ways (yet bizarrely choose in large numbers to move to the west) so I think as the numbers increase there will be more and more demands from them for different sets of rules for their ever expanding communities. I can genuinely see separate homelands for muslims in Britain in the future. As their numbers go from being in the millions to being in the tens of millions in Britain they will more and more become a voice that can't be ignored and Government's will bow to their demands.
Muslim men in Britain don't want equality for women, many demand their wives cover up before they go out, and it's always puzzled me why people don't say this is wrong - just like they would if any other community did it. We have Sharia Courts in Britain, but they currently have no legal powers, they are basically local mediation bodies that solve local disputes but I can see these getting more and more power and probably having full legal powers in years to come. Ask yourselves: could the demands of a community numbering tens of millions be ignored, and could a government really just keep trying to demand these people live by the western way of doing things in years to come when so many don't want to?
There will also be votes in for politicians and many will go along with the demands in order to get elected in constituencies. I think out grand kids have major problems coming for them - this country, along with most of western Europe, will be very unstable years from now and the politicians who caused all these problems will either be dead or will still be counting the millions they earned from trading off the contacts they made whilst in politics and living in one of their many mansions.
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David Johnson
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Max
"I've not said we are a currently in a situation where we're majority muslim and have freedom of speech, equality, and alcohol availability done away with"
No-one has stated that you were arguing this so there is no point arguing against opinions which no-one has given.
However what you did say is "Western Europe will be majority muslim by the middle of this century." ...
and what I pointed out was that a number of reports including the one I provided a link to, suggests that this is just scaremongering. Obvously there is a lot of people out there, including yourself who appear to want to scaremonger for a variety of reasons.
"- but we will be in that position in the future I am sure."
Well we can all fill posts with endless speculation and "the future" covers quite a bit of time, Max.
I seem to recall Tomorrow's World telling me a few decades ago that we would all be working just a few hours a day and living really well because robots were used so extensively, doing all the work and generating the wealth for us. Hasn't quite worked out like that has it?
I could just as easily argue that due to the economic decline of Western countries, there will be a huge emigration of British people to the powerful economies of CHina, India and other parts of Asia, joined by British Asian immigrants who realise that the standard of living is now much higher in their home countries. etc etc.
As Beutelwolf states there is a whole host of possibilities in the long terms.
No-one has stated that you were arguing this so there is no point arguing against opinions which no-one has given.
However what you did say is "Western Europe will be majority muslim by the middle of this century." ...
and what I pointed out was that a number of reports including the one I provided a link to, suggests that this is just scaremongering. Obvously there is a lot of people out there, including yourself who appear to want to scaremonger for a variety of reasons.
"- but we will be in that position in the future I am sure."
Well we can all fill posts with endless speculation and "the future" covers quite a bit of time, Max.
I seem to recall Tomorrow's World telling me a few decades ago that we would all be working just a few hours a day and living really well because robots were used so extensively, doing all the work and generating the wealth for us. Hasn't quite worked out like that has it?
I could just as easily argue that due to the economic decline of Western countries, there will be a huge emigration of British people to the powerful economies of CHina, India and other parts of Asia, joined by British Asian immigrants who realise that the standard of living is now much higher in their home countries. etc etc.
As Beutelwolf states there is a whole host of possibilities in the long terms.
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max_tranmere
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David
FROM YOU LAST POST:
"I've not said we are a currently in a situation where we're majority muslim and have freedom of speech, equality, and alcohol availability done away with"
No-one has stated that you were arguing this so there is no point arguing against opinions which no-one has given.
BUT IN YOUR EARLIER POST YOU SAID, ALBEIT SARCASTICALLY, THE FOLLOWING - AND IT WAS THIS I WAS COMING BACK AT:
You would hardly recognise Blackpool these days. As I speak I can hear the muezzin call to prayer from the top of Blackpool Tower. Thousands of them Muslims are prostrate on the prom as I speak, answering the call to prayer.
I have noticed an increase in the number of one armed blokes wandering round Blackpool. I had put it down to the results of the bad batch of smack containing anthrax going the rounds but no, it is due to the implementation of Sharia law throughout the town
ANd as for getting a beer in Blackpool. Forget it!!!! Can't remember when I was last able to buy a pint. It's all tomato juice and Vimto now when you are out and about at a weekend.
To be honest, I can't wait for my holiday in Turkey. "10 bottles of Efes please!"
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FROM YOUR LAST POST:
However what you did say is "Western Europe will be majority muslim by the middle of this century." ...
and what I pointed out was that a number of reports including the one I provided a link to, suggests that this is just scaremongering. Obvously there is a lot of people out there, including yourself who appear to want to scaremonger for a variety of reasons.
"- but we will be in that position in the future I am sure."
Well we can all fill posts with endless speculation and "the future" covers quite a bit of time, Max.
WELL DAVID, A POPULATION EXPANDING AS RAPIDLY AS MUSLIMS IN BRITAIN ARE - WHO ARE OUT-BREEDING EVERYONE ELSE, IT CAN ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. THIS WILL, OF COURSE, HAPPEN IN "THE FUTURE". I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYTHING AHEAD OF US CAN HAPPEN AT ANY OTHER TIME THAN THEN. IT IS INEVITABLE THEY WILL BECOME THE MAJORITY AND IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHEN COULD BE DEBATED. I SAID BY THE MIDDLE OF THIS CENTURY. SOME MAY ARGUE IT WILL BE IN 75 YEARS TIME. IT WILL CERTAINLY HAPPEN THOUGH.
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FROM YOUR LAST POST:
I seem to recall Tomorrow's World telling me a few decades ago that we would all be working just a few hours a day and living really well because robots were used so extensively, doing all the work and generating the wealth for us. Hasn't quite worked out like that has it?
I SEEM TO RECALL EVERYONE SAYING IN THE LATE-1980'S THAT WITH THE RATE THE PLANET AND THE OZONE LAYER WAS BEING DESTROYED WE WOULD NOT BE HERE 20 YEARS LATER. WE, OF COURSE, ARE STILL HERE SO THAT PREDICTION WAS WRONG TOO. BUT WITH EXPANDING POPULATIONS ONE DOESN'T NEED TO SPECULATE, JUST LOOK AT CURRENT BIRTH TRENDS, PROJECTED TRENDS, THE SCALE OF IMMIGRATION, THE NUMBER OF KIDS THEY WILL HAVE AND THE NUMBER THEIR KIDS' KIDS WILL HAVE, AND YOU CAN MORE OR LESS PREDICT THE SIZE OF THAT POPULATION 50, 75, AND 100 YEARS FROM NOW.
"I've not said we are a currently in a situation where we're majority muslim and have freedom of speech, equality, and alcohol availability done away with"
No-one has stated that you were arguing this so there is no point arguing against opinions which no-one has given.
BUT IN YOUR EARLIER POST YOU SAID, ALBEIT SARCASTICALLY, THE FOLLOWING - AND IT WAS THIS I WAS COMING BACK AT:
You would hardly recognise Blackpool these days. As I speak I can hear the muezzin call to prayer from the top of Blackpool Tower. Thousands of them Muslims are prostrate on the prom as I speak, answering the call to prayer.
I have noticed an increase in the number of one armed blokes wandering round Blackpool. I had put it down to the results of the bad batch of smack containing anthrax going the rounds but no, it is due to the implementation of Sharia law throughout the town
ANd as for getting a beer in Blackpool. Forget it!!!! Can't remember when I was last able to buy a pint. It's all tomato juice and Vimto now when you are out and about at a weekend.
To be honest, I can't wait for my holiday in Turkey. "10 bottles of Efes please!"
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FROM YOUR LAST POST:
However what you did say is "Western Europe will be majority muslim by the middle of this century." ...
and what I pointed out was that a number of reports including the one I provided a link to, suggests that this is just scaremongering. Obvously there is a lot of people out there, including yourself who appear to want to scaremonger for a variety of reasons.
"- but we will be in that position in the future I am sure."
Well we can all fill posts with endless speculation and "the future" covers quite a bit of time, Max.
WELL DAVID, A POPULATION EXPANDING AS RAPIDLY AS MUSLIMS IN BRITAIN ARE - WHO ARE OUT-BREEDING EVERYONE ELSE, IT CAN ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. THIS WILL, OF COURSE, HAPPEN IN "THE FUTURE". I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYTHING AHEAD OF US CAN HAPPEN AT ANY OTHER TIME THAN THEN. IT IS INEVITABLE THEY WILL BECOME THE MAJORITY AND IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHEN COULD BE DEBATED. I SAID BY THE MIDDLE OF THIS CENTURY. SOME MAY ARGUE IT WILL BE IN 75 YEARS TIME. IT WILL CERTAINLY HAPPEN THOUGH.
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FROM YOUR LAST POST:
I seem to recall Tomorrow's World telling me a few decades ago that we would all be working just a few hours a day and living really well because robots were used so extensively, doing all the work and generating the wealth for us. Hasn't quite worked out like that has it?
I SEEM TO RECALL EVERYONE SAYING IN THE LATE-1980'S THAT WITH THE RATE THE PLANET AND THE OZONE LAYER WAS BEING DESTROYED WE WOULD NOT BE HERE 20 YEARS LATER. WE, OF COURSE, ARE STILL HERE SO THAT PREDICTION WAS WRONG TOO. BUT WITH EXPANDING POPULATIONS ONE DOESN'T NEED TO SPECULATE, JUST LOOK AT CURRENT BIRTH TRENDS, PROJECTED TRENDS, THE SCALE OF IMMIGRATION, THE NUMBER OF KIDS THEY WILL HAVE AND THE NUMBER THEIR KIDS' KIDS WILL HAVE, AND YOU CAN MORE OR LESS PREDICT THE SIZE OF THAT POPULATION 50, 75, AND 100 YEARS FROM NOW.
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Porn Baron
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Re: Muslims are revolting ?
Iran has revived the death threat against Salman Rushdie, raising the reward for killing him to ?320,000. Death sentence for apostasy is still in place in nearly all muslim countries. This intolerance really alarms me.
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David Johnson
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Re: David
"You would hardly recognise Blackpool these days."
Max, it was clearly a joke. In case you are wondering - there are no muezzins callng from the top of Blackpool Tower.
"IT IS INEVITABLE THEY WILL BECOME THE MAJORITY AND IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, "
It is not inevitable. That is where you are totally mistaken.
"I SEEM TO RECALL EVERYONE SAYING IN THE LATE-1980'S THAT WITH THE RATE THE PLANET AND THE OZONE LAYER WAS BEING DESTROYED WE WOULD NOT BE HERE 20 YEARS LATER. WE, OF COURSE, ARE STILL HERE SO THAT PREDICTION WAS WRONG TOO. BUT WITH EXPANDING POPULATIONS ONE DOESN'T NEED TO SPECULATE, JUST LOOK AT CURRENT BIRTH TRENDS, PROJECTED TRENDS, THE SCALE OF IMMIGRATION, THE NUMBER OF KIDS THEY WILL HAVE AND THE NUMBER THEIR KIDS' KIDS WILL HAVE, AND YOU CAN MORE OR LESS PREDICT THE SIZE OF THAT POPULATION 50, 75, AND 100 YEARS FROM NOW."
So in short you agree with me, nothing is inevitable.
You need to develop an understanding of changes in population movements. For example, population movements tend to tie in with economic imbalances between countries. That is one of the key motivators for immigration and emigration. Those economic imbalances change. Of course people can make forecasts based on trends just as weather forecasters try their best to forecast the weather the next day never mind in 50 years.
It is not inevitable. Maybe you want to make it inevitable for your own political beliefs but it isn't.
Max, it was clearly a joke. In case you are wondering - there are no muezzins callng from the top of Blackpool Tower.
"IT IS INEVITABLE THEY WILL BECOME THE MAJORITY AND IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, "
It is not inevitable. That is where you are totally mistaken.
"I SEEM TO RECALL EVERYONE SAYING IN THE LATE-1980'S THAT WITH THE RATE THE PLANET AND THE OZONE LAYER WAS BEING DESTROYED WE WOULD NOT BE HERE 20 YEARS LATER. WE, OF COURSE, ARE STILL HERE SO THAT PREDICTION WAS WRONG TOO. BUT WITH EXPANDING POPULATIONS ONE DOESN'T NEED TO SPECULATE, JUST LOOK AT CURRENT BIRTH TRENDS, PROJECTED TRENDS, THE SCALE OF IMMIGRATION, THE NUMBER OF KIDS THEY WILL HAVE AND THE NUMBER THEIR KIDS' KIDS WILL HAVE, AND YOU CAN MORE OR LESS PREDICT THE SIZE OF THAT POPULATION 50, 75, AND 100 YEARS FROM NOW."
So in short you agree with me, nothing is inevitable.
You need to develop an understanding of changes in population movements. For example, population movements tend to tie in with economic imbalances between countries. That is one of the key motivators for immigration and emigration. Those economic imbalances change. Of course people can make forecasts based on trends just as weather forecasters try their best to forecast the weather the next day never mind in 50 years.
It is not inevitable. Maybe you want to make it inevitable for your own political beliefs but it isn't.
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Sam Slater
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Re: Muslims are revolting ?
When you say 'revolting', do you mean it as the verb (to rebel) or the adjective (disgust)?
Regardless, a silly question. Some Muslims are revolting (both definitions) and some aren't. Easy. Next.
Regardless, a silly question. Some Muslims are revolting (both definitions) and some aren't. Easy. Next.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
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andy at handiwork
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Re: David
To back up what DJ has said about unpredictable population movements, there is an article in today's Observer covering the reversal of the usual post-colonial migration from ex-colony to homeland. The oil rich economy of Angola is attracting jobless Portuguese in their thousands. Nearer home there are apparently many UK bankers heading to the far East. Hardly on a similar scale to east and south to west but it does show how nothing can be predicted with confidence when it comes to migration.