I'm tired of a couple thing in porn, Am I alone?

[Yawgmoth]

First thing and probably the most annoying to me

Why is there so many closeup on male performers inter-cut inside the scenes...

French and Italian bigger production (Pink'O, Marc Dorcel...) does that in almost every video. Who in there right mind think anyone watching porn would be interested to watch some ugly dude (most are anyway) face for 10s while a gorgeous chick is getting banged...

And I'm not even mentioning when the scene is inter-cut with some dirty ugly voyeur simply watching or jerking off while watching

UK and US productions at least got that right because you barely see this

Second thing.

Why do they feel the need to pair up the most beautiful girl in the video with some very average (borderline ugly in terms of porn beauty)
I mean people will pick the movie for that/those chick(s) alone, why do you have to spoil our pleasure having some ugo steal the beauty their thunder?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Why throw a couple thousand euros into the production cost just to have three more average girls.

It's even worst when you have like 10 female performers credited and some sort of 20 minutes orgy scenes at the end, with 2 beauts and 3 ugos and when you edit out everything that's not sex, ugos or male performers closeup the scenes runs for like 3 minutes and a half...

The worst is that I cannot help but think that this waste of production money is partly responsible for the downfall of French/Italian porn.


I'm wondering what's your point of view on the subject.

[jimslip]

The porn industry is like The Titanic, slowly but surely sinking. Why? because maybe it is stuck in a time warp at around 2001? Or maybe its because of "reality", or pirates or possibly because people got bored woth the same scenarios, featuring the same old types doing the same old thing again and again. Who knows? The truth is noone knows and while they pontificate and pretend all is shipshape, the good ship, "Porn" continues to take in water!

As far as your personal opinion is concerned, you say you hate, for example, producers mixing what you call, "Beautiful girls" with what you call, "Ugly girls". How do you know loads of people don't like the, "Ugly" girls more? How can you be the sole expert on beauty? I personally don't like the porno stereotype lolly-pop head, stuck on tits, sausage lips, "Porno girl". To me they look like a throw back to another age. I like normal girls. I like girls who are sensuous and that doesn't mean girls who make alot of noise and pretend they're cumming all the time!!boring! But that's just my opinion amd taste.

In defence of the producers of porn, I would say you cannot please all the people all of the time. The best you can hope for is to please some of the people some of the time.

However, I can guarantee you this, with your strong opinions about, the male stars, who is ugly and who is not, etc etc, if you were to be given a budget for a film to produce and direct using your personal tastes, you would still have people like you writing in saying, "That was complete shit!" and "Those girls were really ugly!" and. "The story was crap!" You would be very upset.

In other words the "Perfect porn film" simply doesn't exist, you must endeavour to find a series or production house that makes stuff, "That floats you boat". That's all you can do!

[Sam Slater]

[Yawgmoth]

Indeed the beauty is subjective and what I call ugly is my neighbor's goddess.

What I meant (because judging by your reply I wasn't clear) is in order to cater to the wider audience. You shouldn't have scenes with two couple shagging 20 feet apart and cutting between each couple every 15 other seconds. That's what pisses me off. They don't interact with each other why not make two scenes out of it.

However I understand your point about using budget so there is more girl hence the possibility to please the greater number.

On the other hand I still don't see the point of having male face closeup inter-cut during sex scenes.


By the way totally off topic but since you answer my post I use this opportunity to ask. You worked with a girl called Louise in an episode of 500 pounds challenge. I love her and she's absolutely gorgeous to me. Did you made other scenes with her and would they be available on your website? if not do you have any information about her?

Thanks in advance.

[jimslip]

I agree about studs faces in porn and there is nothing more of a turn off than the so called, "Monkey face" at the end of a scene. This is because more often than not there is an enormous gap between the stud saying, "I'm gonna drown you in cum bitch!" to actually.....errm, cumming! Normally what happens is the stud then disappears into a corner for 10 minutes feverishly wanking ,calling out to the bored crew and the model filing her finger nails, "Don't worry chaps I wont be long, another 10 minutes should do the trick!" Then he rushes back to the set, screaming at the crew, "POSITIONS YOU PATHETIC TOSSERS CAN'T YOU SEE I AM ABOUT TO CUM BUCKETS??" and then you guessed it............."Ok,lads, false alarm, give me another ten, this has never happened before!" lol

Anyway, so what the ham fisted editor does, is join the bit where the stud was first wanking over the girl, to a shot of his ( monkey) face, grimmacing like he's had 415 volt prod shoved up his arse, lose all the 20 minutes of excuses and tantrums and simply cut back down to his dick shooting its load over the girl. Job done.

Of course there are hundreds of ways of achieving this and NEVER having to cut to the, "Monkey face" shot, it's just lazy editing. To me the girl is everything and you should never see a close up of any blokes face, let alone him cumming, yuck!Ideally, blokes should be cut from the waist upwards.

As for Louise, yes she was a complete cutey, but I'm afraid she is one of many girls who drop in to porn, do a few bits and then disappear. I don't know of anything else she's done.

PS Going back to studs cumming, I'll never forget a stud trying to cum and screaming for a porno mag to be brought to him. He had the model in doggy in front of him and (she was a babe by the way) he then place the mag on her back and then started thumbing through the pages ogling the girls whilst fucking her. He screamed at the sniggering crew, "DON'T YOU KNOW THIS IS HOW I CUM YOU PATHETIC FOOLS, IS IT NOT NORMAL DO DO THIS?". Actually he didn't cum lol. I always wondered how the poor girl felt.

That's why I love the girls of porn, Brits and Europeans, they put up with so much shit without a word of complaint!

[jimslip]

Porn studs train for years to achieve the classic "Monkey face" shot that many discerning porn directors demand during a cum-shot, note the bared teeth and eyes shut tight!!wink!

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[frankthring]

I agree with much of what Jim Slip says in his reply - and God knows, he
and me have very different views as to what constitutes "good porn"
(if such a thing can exist) or what turns us on.
The simple thing to remember is this - one man`s porn is another man`s
poison.
Yawgmoth particularly mentioned Marc Dorcel as an offender (to him) of
what he does not like to see.
Only 2 weeks ago an Austrian guy told me he was obsessed with Dorcel
movies and "Could I shoot in that style ?" My reply - sorry Yawgmoth -
was to say the only feature movies I still respect and whack off to are
Dorcel ones, specifically those made by Herve Bodilis who is a master of
sophisticated sex. As Jim knows, 90% of UK so-called reality porn makes
me vomit !
But I fully accept and respect the fact that we all have different tastes.
Yawgmoth , you should so the same.

[one eyed jack]

I love this forum. Its where people come to bash UK porn except today its Marc Dorcel. Gasp! What heresy doth he spake???

Hey man it takes all sorts to make the world turn around. I wish I could get this porn racket down to a science but as Jim said, I would have to swich the formula so many times to please everyone.

High end, low end. Reality. Fuck gonzo. Damn she s ugly. Damn shes fit. More feet. More shoes, Nylons!!! Girls in jeans. Girls in dresses. MILFs Teens! New girls. Old girls....My head is spinning....Its a maelstrom! Somebody help meeeee!

[Dave Wells]

It never ceases to amaze me how continuously in this business (it seems to me anyway) that the WRONG people for whatever reason, are making money and thus become successful. Obviously I cannot and will not name names.

But these people do produce some proper crap !

[jimslip]

I think over the last 20 years, maybe as a result of the ground work done by us pornographers, porn consumers have discovered their own individual likes and dislikes, or niches. So in the early days when mainstream porn was being churned out, viewers discovered they liked certain bits within these films. They may have like a certain type of girl, stockings, heels, anal, leapard skin, fat, thin, etc etc. So in a way us pornographers created a huge stew from which people picked the bits they liked and then slowly but surely scattered away to find other sources of these bits.

So we helped people gouge out of their subconcious minds, the little seedy, perverted bits and pieces, that even they didn't know were buried, lying and festering inside the deep recesses of their brains!

This would explain the demise of mainstream porn and the explosion of niche porn. In fact I did this myself, after duplicating and watching in fast forward, thousands of porn films in the 1990's, I extracted the little bits and pieces that I liked and put them into jimslip.com. Out of every film I watched, I'd say I'd see about 1-2 seconds of an image I liked. That is all, apart from Buttman 1 and 2 that is. After these he went down the toiilet as well.

Anyway, back to the freeing of the human mind. I ask this question, should not the pornographers of the World be awarded en masse, an award for, "SERVICES TO HUMANITY?" After all it is us who have released human kind from the bondage of repressed sexual desires! It is us, who have prised, nay, gouged open the minds of millions of men and released the black locust of perversion and depravity? The locust that must forever FEED!!!!

I demand we are rewarded for our efforts! I demand recognition by the United Nations!!!wink!