DVD Dave plunges UK into migration nightmare?

[David Johnson]

Things are getting worse, fellow forumites!

Not only is Ozzy Osborne borrowing more than the "reckless and unsustainable" (according to Ozzy) Alistair Darling spending plans for the 2010-2015 period, but DVD Dave is doing a really piss poor job on immigration.

Remember DVD Dave and Saint Theresa May promised to reduce net migration to tens of thousands?

Well if you look at this Office of National Statistics graph....

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration ... migration-

Net migration under the coalition is hgher than it was under most of the Labour government years apart from 2004-5 when Labour stupidly didnt introduce transitionary restrictions on new EU countries e.g. Poland to limit immigration.

Total immigration is as high if not higher than ever. Total emigration is going down, mainly because people can no longer afford the Eurostar fare due to err, austerity measures.

[Sam Slater]

I work in the medical field and understand how, for instance, cancer rates look much higher now than in the 70s. Or how violent crime is much higher now than 100 years ago.

It's not that we're a more violent society now, nor are we more prone to cancer now compared to the 70s. What's happened is violent crime is reported much more often and we're far better at detecting cancers.

I'm not disputing the figures you provide, but could one factor be more stringent checks on immigration now compared to the previous 10 years? Has that process changed/improved since 2010?

I have no idea but I think it's worth checking up on before coming to a conclusion.

[Gusset Sniffer]

It's because of EU nationals coming and getting jobs. Employers seek them out as they can afford to work for less than Brits. We can't do anything to stop them coming.

Didn't one of the parties say we would get a referendum on staying in the EU??? Yeah right !hmmm!

[David Johnson]

"I'm not disputing the figures you provide, but could one factor be more stringent checks on immigration now compared to the previous 10 years? Has that process changed/improved since 2010?"

1. In 2010 Cameron promised to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands by the end of the parliament.
2. After 2 years, net migration is above 250,000 and has hardly gone down at all in the last two years and immigration is as high as ever.

What is the relevance of your point above to this?

[jimslip]

There is a strange irony which seems to have gone straight over David's head, it is the simple fact that during the years of New labour, if he had merely dared to raise the topic of "Immigraton" at any Labour chaired council meeting or in fact at any venue or in any periodical, he would have been immediately branded a "Racist".

So even David is benefitting from the laxing of the strict rules of Political Correctness which has resulted from New Labour being booted out.

Perhaps david would care to rummage through his pre-election posts and find one that refers to "Immigration out of control" or some such heading, somehow I reckon the larder will be bare!

Some interesting reading from that well known Nazi newspaper, The Daily Telegraph:

[Sam Slater]

The relevance of my point is to the figures, not the targets promised. I thought that was clear.

So, has the way checks occur, or how immigration is counted changed since the last election which could make a comparison of figures before this change a little misleading?

[David Johnson]

"There is a strange irony which seems to have gone straight over David's head,"

Ouch, now I am going to be depressed all weekend! !wink!

"So even David is benefitting from the laxing of the strict rules of Political Correctness which has resulted from New Labour being booted out. Perhaps david would care to rummage through his pre-election posts and find one that refers to "Immigration out of control" or some such heading, somehow I reckon the larder will be bare!"

I posted this on 17 February 2010 in response to Max.

"I agree that the BNP's support base would shrink if the government introduced more stringent measures on immigration from outside the EU, particularly on fake students and multinationals bringing in cheap labour from Asia. I also think that it was a big mistake for the labour government to estimate the number of Polish workers coming here at 20,000 when in fact it ended up being hundreds of thousands. This put an enormous strain on infrastructure in certain areas of the country. They should have followed the policy of other EU states which limited numbers for a period of years."

"As to the Daily Telegraph "Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural"

Well, if that had actually been the case, the Labour government would have achieved that objective more readily by taking advice from the Tories.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration ... itizenship

Scroll down to the graph entitled

Figure 2.3: IPS long-term international migration estimates of non-EU Citizens, UK, 2000?2011

and James, you will see that the number of non-EU citizens migrating to the UK long term (the pink line) under the coalition is as high pretty much as it ever was under the Labour government and higher than the majority of years in the Labour government.

Cheerio James!

[David Johnson]

"The relevance of my point is to the figures, not the targets promised. I thought that was clear. "

Not clear. Talk through the logic, please.

[David Johnson]

Hi
If you read my post with the subject A strange but totally untrue irony, you will find a link to a graph which shows the number of non EU citizens migrating to this country is pretty much as high now under the coalition as it ever was under Labour.

[Sam Slater]

Blood hell, David.

I'm not so concerned about specific targets. On that your point is made and unarguable. Since it is unarguable I can either tell you I agree wholeheartedly, patting you on the head or move on to why the general trend over the past two years doesn't even look like it's going down.

Thus my twice asked, and twice unanswered question: Has the way checks occur, and/or the way figures are counted changed since the last election which may account -in part- to the latest findings?