Clegg's speech

[David Johnson]

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It may be that what is sleep inducing to some people is not to others depending on their political views/interests.

Some people might have a reaction to a huge number of posts slagging off Mandleson, Miliband, McBrown, Blair etc etc by someone like your good self with something like

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"

Personal preference I guess eh?

Cheers
D

[number 6]

No,i was acused of mocking the death of a child,something i would never and have never done. Im still waiting for an apology from Beestonboy.

[number 6]

I never posted it.

[Deuce Bigolo]

Just reading this link I came across this




"The party leader's conference speech is always intended for two audiences the party faithful in the hall and the voters outside"


But Nick Clegg did highlight his party's differences and flag up his readiness to do battle on some red-line issues.

"His declaration that the Human Rights Act is here to stay will infuriate some Tories and the right-wing press"


"If anything the economic crisis has underlined the need for unity.

The Lib Dems know how much is at stake - for their party as well as the country. "


Bottom line is you dont shoot yourself in the foot AGAIN after you've already done it countless times already


I really hope the liberal democrat supporters pre-election see the coalition for what it really is, a complete sham...I've not seen a junior member of a coalition so hung out to dry for decisions that it couldnt stop even if it wished to outside of dissolving the coalition...the grass may appear to be greener on the othersie but I think the reality is it wouldnt matter who was in power eventually reality will mean the standard of living will have to come down.If the Politicians target those at the bottom to make those necessary savings they really have lost the plot.

[David Johnson]

As someone else has already said about the Clegg and Cameron coalition.

I am reminded of the Groucho Marx quote.

"I have these principles. If you don't like them, I have others."

Cheers
D

[Deuce Bigolo]

Politics is the game of compromise

No one who gets to the top gets there with their original principles uncompromised

I can think of only handful of politicians that alwas vote with their conscience versus the majority who vote along party lines regardless of their principles

[David Johnson]

Agreed.

It is the level of compromise that separates the charlatans from the pragmatic politicians.

[Deuce Bigolo]

A good example of that would be our Australian Democrats
who held the balance of power in the senate for decades keeping the labour and the conservatives honest by only allowing through legislation that was watered down

They had a unique tradition in allowing all members to vote with their conscience

Former leader...elected at aged 26 in 1995...left 13 years laters at age 39
Resigned the Party leadership due to not wanting to compromise her principles..the party never really recovered because up till then they'd been seen as the one party that didnt have infighting and actually stood as one because they all believed the same



In the end that tradition brought their eventual demise

sad but true

From 20% of the vote in the 80s in the House of Representatives.though they never actually won any seats +Holding the balance of power in the Senate for decades to

At the 2010 federal election, Democrat candidates again failed to secure any seats in the Senate. They polled very poorly, achieving only 0.5%?0.75% of vote in the states and 1.6% of the vote in the ACT.





Almost a carbon copy of whats likely to happen to the Liberal Democrats