Yep, you're quite correct.
Though it's funny to see David in a discussion about black and white.
Because in almost every discussion raised in this forum, it goes like this...
You say white, he'll say black.
You say black, he'll say white.
Just for the shits and giggles of arguing with someone.
!poke!
Was David Starkey right ?
-
Sam Slater
- Posts: 11624
- Joined: Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:40 am
Re: Turan2
Welcome to the forums, bamboo. For a newbie you've wasted no time in jumping straight in the deep end.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
His basic point was right
he was just crap at putting it across.
It's not a black/white thing it's a gang culture and American culture thing. The number of white kids you see today attempting to speak like they were born in Jamaica is pretty pathetic, but it's the whole gang culture that's the problem. I don't see that as a white or black thing, I see that more as a pathetic cunt thing.
It's not a black/white thing it's a gang culture and American culture thing. The number of white kids you see today attempting to speak like they were born in Jamaica is pretty pathetic, but it's the whole gang culture that's the problem. I don't see that as a white or black thing, I see that more as a pathetic cunt thing.
-
David Johnson
- Posts: 7844
- Joined: Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:40 am
In summary Turan
Like I said I don't see the point in talking in such over generalised terms about how someone talks like a "white man".
For Starkey to say Lammy talked like a "white man" was very strange. If outside of this discussion someone played me an audio tape of Lammy talking and asked me, what can you guess about this person from their speech, I would say that he was either British or someone who had spent a lot of time in this country. I would also have said that he seemed to have had a pretty good education based on the range of his vocabulary etc. etc.
What I wouldnt have said is that "this guy sounds white" because I have been around enough to know that you cannot necessarily make sensible guesses based on racial stereotyping. As Starkey himself acknowledged some white kids put on Jamaican patois accents so presumably he agrees with me that you are asking for a fall to guess someone's skin colour from how they speak.
So the question then arises, why did Starkey go on about Lammy sounding white. I suspect the reason was that he arrived in the studio with the 5 minutes of fame soundbite in his head which he was going to stick to through thick and thin i.e. whites are turning black (nasty implications) and this black guy, Lammy sounds white (nice accent eh?).
The other question is what on earth any of this has to do with riots in London and Manchester where people of a variety of ethnicities (Asian, African, West Indian, white English etc etc) and a variety of ages have been arrested.
I suspect the answer is pretty much nowt at all. After all the young white boys interest in rap goes back decades. And raps ludicrous gangsta strain has been around for a decades.
In short Starkey had very little to add to the conversation about the riots as not just myself but a number of the posters in this thread seem to believe.
As always though on this forum, you are entirely entitled to your beliefs, just as both of us are entirely entitled to disagree.
Cheers
D
For Starkey to say Lammy talked like a "white man" was very strange. If outside of this discussion someone played me an audio tape of Lammy talking and asked me, what can you guess about this person from their speech, I would say that he was either British or someone who had spent a lot of time in this country. I would also have said that he seemed to have had a pretty good education based on the range of his vocabulary etc. etc.
What I wouldnt have said is that "this guy sounds white" because I have been around enough to know that you cannot necessarily make sensible guesses based on racial stereotyping. As Starkey himself acknowledged some white kids put on Jamaican patois accents so presumably he agrees with me that you are asking for a fall to guess someone's skin colour from how they speak.
So the question then arises, why did Starkey go on about Lammy sounding white. I suspect the reason was that he arrived in the studio with the 5 minutes of fame soundbite in his head which he was going to stick to through thick and thin i.e. whites are turning black (nasty implications) and this black guy, Lammy sounds white (nice accent eh?).
The other question is what on earth any of this has to do with riots in London and Manchester where people of a variety of ethnicities (Asian, African, West Indian, white English etc etc) and a variety of ages have been arrested.
I suspect the answer is pretty much nowt at all. After all the young white boys interest in rap goes back decades. And raps ludicrous gangsta strain has been around for a decades.
In short Starkey had very little to add to the conversation about the riots as not just myself but a number of the posters in this thread seem to believe.
As always though on this forum, you are entirely entitled to your beliefs, just as both of us are entirely entitled to disagree.
Cheers
D