Your post is both incorrect and stupid.
I have criticised Labour MPs for fiddling their expenses and I am delighted that a number of MPs including Labour MPs have been jailed for doing so.
The reason I pick Clegg as my example was that he filled his trough while an MEP and then spent months lecturing the House of Commons on how the Westminster expenses scandal was disgraceful (whilst being a big claimer of expenses himself of all sorts you would not expect the taxpayer to foot the bill for) and then campaigned on bringing a new politics to Britain based on Lib Dem concepts of fairness.
And this complete charlatan is now Deputy Prime Minister.
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Britain and the EU
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David Johnson
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Essex Lad
"One aspect of receiving an EU pension is that you are not allowed to criticise the EU."
Really? Got any evidence to support this?
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Really? Got any evidence to support this?
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Re: Essex Lad
"Really? Got any evidence to support this?"
Well, there's the soon to be pensioned Kinnock's, not only on the gravy train, but making the gravy as well.
Well, there's the soon to be pensioned Kinnock's, not only on the gravy train, but making the gravy as well.
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David Johnson
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Lizard
Not really what I asked, is it?
I am sure that there are many ex MPs on a pension that are critical of the House of Commons, just as I am sure that there are many ex-MEPs on a pension critical of the system.
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I am sure that there are many ex MPs on a pension that are critical of the House of Commons, just as I am sure that there are many ex-MEPs on a pension critical of the system.
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David Johnson
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Essex Lad
"Will these do you?"
Err, no.
Sol let's actually look at this, shall we?
You stated "They HAVE to love the EU. One aspect of receiving an EU pension is that you are not allowed to criticise the EU."
And to support this rather surprising statement you quote a story in that fervent EU supporting newspaper, the Daily Telegraph and some bloke who wrote a letter to "Mad Mike's America" website.
Right, do you not think this is a bit like referring me to Jimslip's post about how British people have got no chance of getting healthcare in the EU without paying loads of dosh whereas people from other EU countries get everything on the NHS? It isn't the most reliable evidence?
This is the relevant EU clause by the way
"The Members of the Commission may not, during their term of office, engage in any other occupation, whether gainful or not. When entering upon their duties they shall give a solemn undertaking that, both during and after their term of office, they will respect the obligations arising therefrom and in particular their duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after they have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits. In the event of any breach of these obligations, the Court of Justice may, on application by the Council acting by a simple majority or the Commission, rule that the Member concerned be, according to the circumstances, either compulsorily retired in accordance with Article 247 or deprived of his right to a pension or other benefits in its stead."
Now, vague isnt the word eh? For example, one Nicholas Clegg was/has been very critical of the EU particularly in the area of expenses, but is still in line for his EU pension from his few years as an MEP. Nigel Farage's entire mission in life as an MEP was to trash the EU but apparently he has had no problem trousering millions in expenses and pension contributions.
Unless you can provide a statement from the EU that an MEP was refused a pension to which they were entitled because they criticised the EU, I will regard this as all just anti--EU blah, blah. And I find it extremely unlikely that the EU would leave themselves open to a hugely damaging court case re. infringement of personal liberty.
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Err, no.
Sol let's actually look at this, shall we?
You stated "They HAVE to love the EU. One aspect of receiving an EU pension is that you are not allowed to criticise the EU."
And to support this rather surprising statement you quote a story in that fervent EU supporting newspaper, the Daily Telegraph and some bloke who wrote a letter to "Mad Mike's America" website.
Right, do you not think this is a bit like referring me to Jimslip's post about how British people have got no chance of getting healthcare in the EU without paying loads of dosh whereas people from other EU countries get everything on the NHS? It isn't the most reliable evidence?
This is the relevant EU clause by the way
"The Members of the Commission may not, during their term of office, engage in any other occupation, whether gainful or not. When entering upon their duties they shall give a solemn undertaking that, both during and after their term of office, they will respect the obligations arising therefrom and in particular their duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after they have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits. In the event of any breach of these obligations, the Court of Justice may, on application by the Council acting by a simple majority or the Commission, rule that the Member concerned be, according to the circumstances, either compulsorily retired in accordance with Article 247 or deprived of his right to a pension or other benefits in its stead."
Now, vague isnt the word eh? For example, one Nicholas Clegg was/has been very critical of the EU particularly in the area of expenses, but is still in line for his EU pension from his few years as an MEP. Nigel Farage's entire mission in life as an MEP was to trash the EU but apparently he has had no problem trousering millions in expenses and pension contributions.
Unless you can provide a statement from the EU that an MEP was refused a pension to which they were entitled because they criticised the EU, I will regard this as all just anti--EU blah, blah. And I find it extremely unlikely that the EU would leave themselves open to a hugely damaging court case re. infringement of personal liberty.
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Re: Britain and the EU
I know that there have been a number of replies to this thread, but no one has answered the orginal question of how much financially the UK is better off by being a member of the EU.
If that is the case of course, or could it be one big con by the people in power, and the figures will never be released.
If that is the case of course, or could it be one big con by the people in power, and the figures will never be released.
Re: Britain and the EU
I have now found some figures for the cost of us being in the EU
Unfortuately most seem to be anti..
Unfortuately most seem to be anti..
Re: Britain and the EU
I did make this point five days ago...
There has never been a cost analysis done of EU membership because the great and the good think its benefits are so obvious to everyone. More likely is the realisation that if one was ever done, it would lead to calls from almost everyone to leave the EU immediately.
There has never been a cost analysis done of EU membership because the great and the good think its benefits are so obvious to everyone. More likely is the realisation that if one was ever done, it would lead to calls from almost everyone to leave the EU immediately.
David Johnson
I should have been more exact in my point. MEPs are transitory members of the EU as indeed are MPs here. Although it was mooted, I don't remember seeing any definite news that ex-MPs jailed for expenses fraud will lose their MPs' pension.
I meant former EU Commissioners won't criticise the EU. Your point about Clegg, Farage et al would not be relevant to what I actually meant (your mind-reading powers not up to scratch today?
) Surely MEPs are not members of the Commission? They are members of the parliament. Commissioners are members of the Commission. Find me one of those who has criticised the EU....
I meant former EU Commissioners won't criticise the EU. Your point about Clegg, Farage et al would not be relevant to what I actually meant (your mind-reading powers not up to scratch today?
) Surely MEPs are not members of the Commission? They are members of the parliament. Commissioners are members of the Commission. Find me one of those who has criticised the EU....