When did we lose control of our borders?

[max_tranmere]

Quote: "You know that in the EU there is free movement of labour, don't you?"

Maybe so, but it doesn't mean it is right. We ended up with vast numbers more than the public wanted (the Government didn't care) or needed.

I don't think immigrants are 'horrible', there are just too many coming into what is a very overcrowded island. You must agree with that, surely?

[max_tranmere]

We may as well share a land border with some other place. Vast numbers come whether they have to cross the sea or not. We may have the ability to go settle somewhere else in Europe but few from here want to compared with the amount that want to (and do) come here. Do you think it would be a good thing if our population hits 80m by 2050? I don't.

[max_tranmere]

What's wrong with being a Little Englander? If by that you mean someone who is against others coming, then that is not me. If the term means someone who feels that we should have controlled immigration, where we welcome others up to a limit we can cope with and those numbers coming do not mean the country is over run and there is nothing negative occuring as a result of the people who come, then I will happily call myself one.

[max_tranmere]

Quote: "The Treaty of Maastricht of 1992 introduced the concept of citizenship of the European Union which confers on every Union citizen a fundamental and personal right to move and reside freely without reference to an economic activity."

I see little advantage, to the country that could have huge numbers moving to it, in that.

[RoddersUK]

It all started when that duplicitous lying poofter Edward fucking Heath lied through his teeth to Parliament and the Nation and signed the UK into the Common Market.

[max_tranmere]

A Brit could probably get Benefits in other parts of the EU, I know of a British family who moved to France and got free education for their kids, and I thought that was wrong. Why should the French taxpayer pay for that? Doesn't seem right. I do wonder whether if we were land-locked we would have any more people from other parts of the EU coming here, and I think the answer is no. If people want to come, and they do in colossal numbers, they will come.

[max_tranmere]

It's interesting that there was a referendum on us joining the EU in the 1970s, and the public said yes to certain things by voting favourably in the referendum. Therefore the British public only signed up to those specific things, therefore it has been a betrayel by all the politicans since who have sold us out even further to Europe. I also think that the extent to which we are now in Europe contravenes Magna Carta.

[David Johnson]

"I don't think immigrants are 'horrible', there are just too many coming into what is a very overcrowded island.

So let's look at your recent comments on the topic.

"I must say that the vast immigration from Europe has been a wonderful thing for our country. I particularly like seeing all the Romanian 'Big Issue' sellers outside supermarkets in London with their head scarves, their nice watches and their mobile phones. "

"For the last generation or so, and particularly since the Left started infesting everything from when Blair and co took over 14 years ago, people now remain very foreign, and bring their kids up to be foreign and to have no loyalty to this country. "

"We seem to have imported all the urban problems of Kingston, Jamaica into the UK. Black districts of London, Nottingham, Birmingham and may other cities have very high amounts of serious gang membership and gun and knife crime. Just ask the advisors on Operation Trident, the wing of the Met Police that was set up to tackle black-on-black gun crime in London. They will say the same thing - and they are black themselves."

Let's face it Max, you give the impression that there aren't many immigrants on the Tranmere yearly birthday card list!

Cheers
D

[Essex Lad]

Ted Heath knew exactly what the "Common Market" would become when he signed the treaty of accession. It was always intended to be a European superstate run by unelected bureaucrats. They have to be unelected or they could be voted out.

The clever thing the EU has done is to take over countries by stealth so all the so-called establishments remain in place but they are all subservient to the EU. European law takes primacy over laws passed at Westminster. And the EU now wants to set interest and tax rates for all EU member countries not just those in the Eurozone.

In the recent conflict with Libya, did anyone notice that we don't actually have any aircraft carriers anymore? We share one with the French who as we all know are such trustworthy souls.

As for David's comment, yes free movement may well have been in force since 1961 but be honest how many people do you know personally who have thought, "I know, I'll go and live in Romania"? It is all very well in principle but it doesn't work in practice because it harms the country's working class who find their wages have been undercut by foreign workers.

The argument that migration is good because the foreign workers pay tax is fallacious. They do pay tax (well, some do) but the cost to local councils in educating their children (who have to have extra lessons because they can't speak English) and the health service in treating them and their families far outweighs the amount of tax they may pay.