cutting off benefits for 3 years

[Ned]

The cases reported in the media are very few and far between and the whole myth about people scrounging off the state and living the life of Riley is bollocks.

How many people do you know for a fact have chosen to do this? I don't mean people you see who you assume to be on benefits, because they're always around and don't appear to work, I mean people you actually know? How many friends of yours know for a fact (ie, actually know people who are doing it rather than think they know) that this happens?

I don't know anyone doing it and nobody I know, family or friends, knows of anyone doing it either.

[thecocker]

Just to put my tuppenny's worth in.

Max, you will probably find that out of all the jobs out there, they probably were offered to British workers, or those who are capable of work. They were taken by foreigners because a lot of our lazy bastards don't want them. It is them who are bleeding the country dry, not the foreigners, as they are taxpayers too.

I worked with the unemployed for seven years in various parts of the country. I worked at government funded training centres, as a tutor, trying to help those who had been sent to us, through the New Deal programme. Most of them had been unemployed (usually through choice) long before the eastern European nations joined the EU. It would always be the same ones coming back, and back, and back. The 'career' scroungers.

Time and time again when jobs came in, that they could all do, and had agreed to do, through their agreements, I would read them out. They would just look at me like I was from another planet. The usual excuses were 'it's not enough money' despite the fact that most of the jobs were above the NMW, and the fact that many of these people had little, or no qualifications, little experience and had been unemployed for many years. Who are they to say this? The other one was 'five miles was too far'. Believe me, these were not isolated cases. They would even refuse to go on work placement, to get experience and references, because it meant working for nothing for up to SIX MONTHS!!! Oh my! So, they were perfectly happy to take, take, take, but put nothing back into the communities they were happy to bleed dry.

Only one time in seven years did I have a Polish trainee, but was only with me for a very short time. In that time she worked, and worked trying to get a job, staying behind to receive help long after the lazy British had gone off home back to bed, the pub, or to the bookies. In the end, she took a job as a cleaner, and this was someone who had a very good level of education, and had a knowledge of three languages. How can anybody blame a Pole for coming 500 miles to take a job, when our lot won't even go 5?

What the foreigners are doing now is no different than what British builders were doing by going to Germany, or what thousands of Brits continue to do every year. There's nothing wrong with anybody bettering their lives by going somewhere else.

I live in Poland now, teaching English, and it's a breath of fresh air to teach people who come to our schools, paying out of their pockets, after a hard day's work because they want to better themselves. When they ask me what I did before, none of my students can believe the British mentality towards work. I have highly qualified and intelligent people who work for less two pound an hour. I even give lessons free to people who want to talk with me, but can't afford to pay, but just want to improve themselves.

Believe me, nowadays, apart from rent, and beer, Poland is not that much cheaper than Britain now. Food and clothing is just about the same price.

No, I'm sorry, but it's time something was done. The country can't go on in this manner. It's sad that Britian is spending more on scroungers than on education and health simply because these people don't want to work, and who are ready to blame others for their woes. As one writer here said: 'As long as it's done properly, and they target those who are deliberatley refusing work', then there shouldn't be a problem.

[planeterotica]

Just been listening to a debate on the radio and apparently once a child reaches one year old the mother would be expected to look for work or risk losing benefits, so i cant see how this is going to work.

[Lizard]

"Max, you will probably find that out of all the jobs out there, they probably were offered to British workers, or those who are capable of work. They were taken by foreigners because a lot of our lazy bastards don't want them. It is them who are bleeding the country dry, not the foreigners, as they are taxpayers too."

I understand what you are saying Cocker, but the situation is different.
A few British 'brickies' and plasterers etc working abroad-like they have for years.. is totally diofferent, they chose to just go and work abroad, way before we had the full blown EU regulations that allowed anybody to ply thier trade in any of the EU country's. many many did not settle in the country they chose to work in. In this country now, we have hundreds of thousands of Illegal immigrant's as well as hundreds of thousands of EU workers who are here not because the weather is any better than thier own country, but because the pay and conditions are MUCH better, plus there is a benefit system to fall back on, and they know it. You say you live and work in Poland now? so if you lose your job there will you stay and recieve generous support from the Polish Government? I would be interested to know. How much unemployment benefit and housing benefit would you recieve from the Polish Government..

[randyandy]

Such a clever boy with such a potty mouth.

The question I'd ask is how come your able to do a post during the day?

Nipped on while 'working' have we or popped on during a brake?

If that's the case why don't you think number6 may have done the same?

I am sick of arseholes (no offence to arseholes) thinking that people who are able to do things during the day are automatically benefit scrounging lazy twat cheats, especially when the pricks have had to have been on during the day to make their own silly little point.

Now with regards to the post something needs to be done to get people off benefit. No money for three years, in the tone of the sensationalised threat of IDS to get a headline, may inspire some to 'get off their lazy arses' and find work or it may just add anxiety to the long term unemployed who, for whatever reason, can't find work.

I actually think no benefits should be paid that keep people 'sat on their arses' at home and that they should do some work for their payment in either the community, public or charity sector to receive it , if they are able to work, with that work geared to them becoming employable or maintaining their employability.

It's pointless for example having an accountant road sweeping, if a charity needs a bookkeeper.

That the work is supported but does include financial consequence if offers are not taken up, which includes the bookkeeper doing road sweeping if they are refusing all other chances.

What I don't think should happen is for a policy to be created that gives credence to morons to make attacks on individuals they know absolutely nothing about.

[RoddersUK]

I knew someone who's wife knows all about screwing the system as she is a serial piss taker. However, as I have lost touch and they have moved away I cannot inform on them. Mores the pity.

[mrchapel]

Why? My sister went back to work within six months of giving birth. The only reason she left her job job in the end up was because the dopey cunt organising shift kept expecting her to get up at 5am with a kid.

[planeterotica]

What im getting at is can you actually see them cutting off all benefits to a single mother of a one year old child, i just cannot see it happening.

[max_tranmere]

the cocker, I agree there are a lot of lazy Brits and there is a 'Benefits culture' in many areas of Britain where everyone you know is on Benefit, your whole family is, and if you don't go on it you will be almost ostricised from the community. I came across such a community is south London a few years ago, I knew some people who lived in that area and they had really taken to the local way of doing things. A lot of the people they knew didn't want to associate with me because I had a job, this wasn't just some way of saying "I don't like you anyway" I was specifically told that it was because I had a job and was "playing the system" (which was how they rather bizarelly refered to it) that I was a sell-out and people didn't want to know me. I always thought their way of describing things was quite odd as it is them who are supported by that very system themselves.

The community where Karen Matthews, the woman jailed for faking the disappearance of her daughter about 2 years ago, is another place like that - and there are many such places. So you have the freeloaders, who rather ridiculously convince themselves that what they are doing is right and what you are doing is wrong (by having a job) then there are those who want to work but can't get a job. I know that a lot of the crappiest jobs are done by foreigners and that is because none of the domestic population will work for such low money and do that less-than-pleasant job. All the builders I see around the area of London I live in are eastern European, as are the road-sweepers. What annoys me is when you go into a bank and go into the side room for a one-on-one with someone about your account and this person is Polish or Australian. Many suit-and-tie type positions have been taken by outsiders in recent years, not just the crappy jobs. As that is more of an executive position, that people aspire to do - rather than reluctantly do like labouring - I think those jobs should be offered to Brits first. So should the road-sweeping and labouring positions but no Brits want to do those. If you see an executive type job advertised in the job centre there are dozens if not hundeds of applicants for that one position ,and I think Brits should be considered first for those jobs.

I know what you are saying about how some people just prefer sitting back and taking Benefits when offered something they could do, would do well, and earn enough money from so it would be worth their while to do it, that many still say no. You mention about some eternal dole-ites going to the bookies. I've heard of this before and I think it is appalling. If Benefit receivers have money to blow at the book-makers they should give it back to the Government as other people have to go and earn it for them and pay it in through their taxes, but many of the people doing it are too thick to really realise any of that. What society needs to do is to stop making Benefit dependency a trendy thing, where those who work and contribute are seen as the bad people, like in some communties. This is how many people in Deptford, Bermondsey and Southwark in south London think - I know from experience - and in numerous other areas of the UK too. We need to return to a period like it was prior to Thatcher where most people either work, want to work, and see some kind of shame in not doing so if they are able to.

[max_tranmere]

I am genuinely afraid about the flood that will come from Turkey, but like everything else the people have no say and the Government just does whatever it likes.