The Miliband circus...

[David Johnson]

"fucking slumbering mut"

I say old bean, quick to rile aren't we? What happened to the Slater approach to forensic discourse?

Ah yes, I forgot, criticism of the Blessed Cleggster is not allowed without a volley of personal abuse in return. Apparently as far as the Cleggster goes, there shall be no darkness, only light.

I trust the Pope was impressed when he met Him.

With regard to the Cleggster, you either believe or you don't, I guess.

Cheers
D

""Don't let anyone tell you that this time it can't be different - it can. Look how far I got by ditching my party's principles!"

Nick Clegg

[Sam Slater]

I suppose my usual polite manner means that when I do swear it carries a little more weight. If Rodders had said that you wouldn't have batted an eyelid!

[steve56]

They remind me of the Maxwell Brothers!max_tranmere wrote:

> I can't think of another instance of two siblings being in
> senior positions in a political party at the same time before,
> but all this carry on with the Mili's recently proves that it
> is not possible to feasibly have two - especially if one
> becomes leader.
>
> Basically the other has to leave front line politics, like
> David has done this week - because of the constant comparisons,
> the prospect that if the junior sibling has promise and was
> also tipped for the top then there will always be pundits
> saying he might take on his brother, might stand against him,
> might be sulking over the sibling getting they job that one
> wanted, and so on. Basically David's career in frontline
> politics ended because Ed's advanced, and David will have to
> wait for many years, presumably if and until Ed decides to
> leave politics, to re-emerge.
>
> The last time I can think of a front line politican vanishing
> like this, when everyone viewed that person as being someone
> with years ahead of them as a senior figure, was when Michael
> Portillo left politics in 1997 - and that was because he lost
> his seat. David Miliband could have theoretically stayed on and
> advanced, but of course couldn't and didn't because of the
> reasons I've outlined. Politics is a funny thing.
>
> I personally think David should have won. He has a certain
> cache about him, and has the vibe of a leader. They would have
> stood a greater chance of winning the next election with him at
> the helm. Who else agrees? And have you noticed how this has
> all got a lot more coverage in the last week or two than
> anything the government has been doing? It is almost like the
> Labour party are still the government.

[David Johnson]

So let's get this right.

You state Cleggie is an atheist.

Fair enough. I point out that that does not stop him being sanctimonious ie. feigning righteousness in the way he lectured the House of Commons whilst being a very eager claimer of expenses himself.

This strikes me as a valid view. You might not agree with it, but you make no attempt whatsoever to correct the view or question the underlying facts behind that view.

Instead you merely come out with a volley of personal abuse. A perusal of this forum shows that this seems to be your typical response on any post of mine that references the Cleggster in an unfavourable way.

This approach seems both juvenile and demeaning to yourself.

Cheers
D

[David Johnson]

"I like the footnote David. I don't think it was noticed though?"

Thank you, PH. With regard to the relationship between the Cleggster and Sam (possibly only one way!), I cannot help but be reminded of Shakespeare's the Merchant of Venice, Act II Scene 6 where Jessica says

"Here, catch this casket; it is worth the pains.
I am glad 'tis night, you do not look on me,
For I am much asham'd of my exchange;
But love is blind, and lovers cannot see
The pretty follies that themselves commit,
For, if they could, Cupid himself would blush
To see me thus transformed to a boy."

Cheers
D

[Sam Slater]

[quote]So let's get this right.

You state Cleggie is an atheist.[/quote]

Well done.

[quote]Fair enough. I point out that that does not stop him being sanctimonious ie. feigning righteousness in the way he lectured the House of Commons whilst being a very eager claimer of expenses himself. [/quote]

Ok.

[quote]This strikes me as a valid view. You might not agree with it, but you make no attempt whatsoever to correct the view or question the underlying facts behind that view.[/quote]

No, I agree that Nick Clegg can come across as sanctimonious. Don't we all on occasions regardless of our faith/non-faith? Maybe this is a clue as to one of the reasons I didn't bother to question your view. I mean, you weren't jumping to conclusions about my views on this were you?

[quote]Instead you merely come out with a volley of personal abuse.[/quote]

It was more of a satirical comparison. I accept, however, that you could be deeply upset and ready to plug yourself into the mains right now so accept my apologies. I'll send you some flowers and chocolates if it stops you throwing yourself of the north pier come the next storm.

[quote]A perusal of this forum shows that this seems to be your typical response on any post of mine that references the Cleggster in an unfavourable way.[/quote]

Oh, please! Says he who preys on people who're in trouble with the mods. You're the one who kicks a guy when he's down, not me.

[quote]This approach seems both juvenile and demeaning to yourself.[/quote]

That's borderline sanctimony right there. Careful.

[max_tranmere]

It will be interesting to see how Ed Miliband does against David Cameron in PMQ's. A lot of people will judge his suitability for the job by how well he performs there. I seem to recall Iain Duncan Smith being regarded as someone not really up to the job of leader because of how hopeless he was in PMQ's.

[David Johnson]

"Quote:

Instead you merely come out with a volley of personal abuse.

Sam Slater replies
It was more of a satirical comparison. I accept, however, that you could be deeply upset and ready to plug yourself into the mains right now so accept my apologies. I'll send you some flowers and chocolates if it stops you throwing yourself of the north pier come the next storm."

Right, so now you are going in for satire with RoddersUk as your guiding light. Well it's easier than trying to defend the Lib Dems that's for sure.

Like I said before, you appear to have been totally emasculated on this forum by your own humiliation in endlessly supporting Cleggie and the Lib Dems and then throwing in the towel because you seemed to feel you were being picked on by political reprobates like myself and Number 6 - bizarrely.

The only thing left to you apparently is personal abuse. A sad decline!!

Cheers
D

[Sam Slater]

Johnson, this is a thread about the Millibands. How this got to be about me refusing to debate with you about Clegg and my supposed decline shows how obsessed you are with one single topic and how much my words (or lack of) affect you.

Expand out a little. Find other interests. You'll be a much more rounded fellow.