Iran with nuclear weapons-Is it safe?

[jimslip]

"They are motivated by money and greed,"

Aren?t we all, Jim? Aren?t we all? Wheyhey!


Yes of course I am.................except I am NOT a Christian fundamentalist. I cannot recall from my scant readings of the Bible anywhere it says, "Look upon your neighbours and covert their assets, by negotiation at first, if this does not succeed thou must bomb them and then rob them. Thou wilst be as a locust or as a plague on other peoples' lands, what is theirs shalt be yours. This is the Word of God.

I think you are living in denial, of the foul,stinking, regimes that are in control of our world at the moment.

[jimmy068]

I would imagine they would going off how fucking barmy that lot are.

[philylad13]

Thanks you again for your enlightening comments Officer Dibble. You say, 'But here you are again, repeating the same points once more. You don't seem to have taken on board or engaged with much of anything I've previously said', I already stated that I doubt either of us are going to change our opinions, and neither of us believes that the other has much to say.

You stated, 'The government is lying to us and has all sorts of devious agendas in respect of foreign wars and beating up on ?fuzzy wuzzies?. I say ? Hey, so what? We don?t care'. So do you acknowledge that our Government whips us up into a frenzy, so we believe that Iraq/ Iran is a danger, and that War is the best option?

Secondly, 'So long as we?ve got petrol in our tanks, bread on the supermarket shelf and ?X-Factor? on TV, we?re sorted. You?re wasting your time trying to spread this doubt and discontent malarkey. This is the age of apathy, after all'. So, how exactly does War with Iraq/ Iran keep this ticking along, and more importantly how does not going to War make this fall apart? Granted this is the perceived Age of Apathy, where people are only concerned with The X-Factor et al, I'm more interested in issues of greater importance.

Thirdly you say, 'But why such discomfiture at being labelled ?middleclass?? It?s not that bad, is it?', I have no problem with any label that you throw at me, it is just a way that people try to dismiss an idea or point of view, 'don't listen to them, they are just middle-class, Guardian-reading, tree-hugging, communists, anarchists, members of Al-Qaeda that don't get enough Beaver'. That's the point of my argument, not the term, 'middle-class', but the way someone whom is unable to deal with the issues, tries to discredit the messenger, instead of the message.

My reference to the londonclasswar.org, was not a plug for an organisation I have joined, but a quick example for people, to show that Working-Class people aren't all to be distracted by celeb-culture & fashionable purchases, etc, and acknowledge that the problems in soceity, and created by our Governments and the Corporations that support them. Also, there is nothing wrong with Anarchism (or libertarian communism), and because people want to a different system to that which we currently have, only concerned with profit, does not mean that the only alternative is what happened in Russia in 1917, all that changed was is went from Capitalism, to state-capitalism, just substituting one oligarchy for another, Anarchism does not believe in hierarchy, 'each man to his own ability, each to their own needs'.

Just because I can imagine a world without Governments and Corporations, replaced by a decentralised, locally-based & sufficient communities doesn't sound like anything out of Orwell's 1984, saying that someone who can imagine a better world, who is then labelled as a member os Al-Qaeda, is far more like something out of 1984.

The point is that the world is divided into the haves and have nots, and I don't like it when the people that get screwed over everyday of their lives, are supposed to flag-wave and support the Wars that the top 1% wishes to wage to increase their bank balances. You can stick to your, 'expensive sports car, nice gaff in the country, Moet & Chandon and a posse of big titted birds at my beck and call', just don't do pretending a War for Oil is anything to the contrary, and whether there is War or not will not take away you expensive sports car, so as long as the Government don't take away your car, then they can do what they please to people in foreign countries, I think not!

To: Officer Dibble. Minister of I've got a nice car, fuck everyone else.
From: Philylad13. Minister of thinking outside the box.

[Bruce Barnard]

Phily,

You argue very well, complete with sources, I respect that.

Otherwise, I'm with Dibble, not a comfortable position it should be said.

[Officer Dibble]

Now, now, philylad. You'll be taking your ball home next. I was only having a grin. When you embarked on this venture you smugly thought that you'd easily be able to deal with the feeble views and confused, half backed, logic of your opponents without breaking a sweat, and consequently, you would be able to maintain an air of cool while your dim, frustrated, and finally frenzied, opponents dug themselves into a hole. You thought you would look like Joe Cool - an man of reason and stature, a man worth listening to, didn't ya'?

But you didn?t reckon on Officer Dibble, did ya? Yes, officer D - The porniest Peeler in the land. He put an unexpected spoke in your wheel, didn?t he? Yes, philylad, I'd got your number from the off. I've had a lifetime of dealing with revolutionary propagandists. It's my specialty. Hey, maybe I should be made 'Minister of Truth and Information' in this brave new world you've got planned? I reckon I'd be a dab hand at it. Would I get my own private Dacha, down on the old Caspian Sea cost there? What about a fleet of Mercs, so I could be chauffeured about the city, giving it the old size 12, while the peasantry cycled to work? And what about a retinue of those classy blond porn stars with big tits, to give me a comradely gobble whenever the whim overtook me? Maybe there's method in your madness after all, Tavarich? Maybe I've been a bit hasty?

And what's your policy on dealing with chavs? Would you force them to pull their socks up and become useful productive citizens - or would you feather bed them with handouts and a liberal helping of respect, like the present government? I'm always sympathetic to political movements that can display a rigours anti-chav policy, you know.

Well, hey, you've got to grin haven?t you, philylad? Sorry if I haven?t taken any of your earnest arguments and points to seriously this time. But many are re-worded repeats of what you have already said and I have already answered. There's no point in going round in circles. Please don't think me a Philistine, I am open-minded. But what you propose is not for me at this juncture. I was born in a slum, the son of a foundry worker who died before he could collect a pension. But I've made an agreeable life for myself and I'm reasonably content. Almost everyone has the same chance I had or better. The social system you propose will not work because of the way we are - the human condition. We are not like ants or bees - drones and automatons, working for the good of the whole. We are individuals with individual desires and abilities. We can't change that (yet), it's in our DNA. It?s who we are and it?s why we are here now.



Officer Dibble

[Deuce Bigolo]

Yes,use the obvious example but never for a minute think that their weren't male infuences involved in her decision making

I'm talking a total female party,not conservatives with a female leader being told what to do but appearing in total control

The Iron Lady,My Ass

cheers
B....OZ

[videokim]

Hi

Up to now America have been the biggist danger of the 20th century & the only nutters ever to use the bomb, Bush destroyed Bin Laden's Opium fields because they effected the price of drugs coming out of S.America which fund certain American goverment figures. Bin Laden pissed off with Bush retaliates by declaring war on America, Blair the lap dog joins Bush in his mad campaign to fetch Bin Laden & Saddam down & in doing so puts the rest of England in danger. For years we have lived in harmony with our Muslim friends with no signs of danger but now bush (Hitler) on his anti muslim war as put us back in the dark ages with a war no one could ever win.
20 years ago Iraq was on friendly terms with England Saddam even had private operations here, he was the same ruler then as he was when he was opposed but again America where thinking of the oil not the Iraq people.
Get our soldiers out of Iraq before more of them get killed & let America fight its own dirty unlawful wars, Bush proved he was no better than Bin Laden when he let his own people die because they were black & poor.
Iran with nuclear weapons is less dangerous than America with nuclear weapons.

John

[fudgeflaps]

Hello Dibbley, I thought I would ask this in indirect response to an earlier post saying you should be an MP.

Do you do a 'draft' of your posts or do you just spout off ad-lib like the rest of us imbeciles? Furthermore, your posts are lenghty- are they not time-consuming, or does an aristocrat of the higher echelons have a cyber-scribe?

(*Trevor McDonald accent*) And finally.....

Being so opinionated, have you sent any of your views into the letters page of the broadsheet press?? I'm sure Times and Telegraph readers would be sharpening their knives...........


I'm curious like my eternal nemesis, the cat.

!confused!