*** Warning: Racism ***

[Easter Egg]

Just my 2 cents on this matter:
(pardon my English)
Being a Dutchman, I'v been following some posts with some kind of curiosity and also a feeling of "been there/done that"
There were indeed some postings that I consider to be strongly offensive.

Despite the fact that I strongly reject any kind of racism or intolerance or alike,
I fully understand the shock that's going through the British community at this moment which is asking to itself: "What's has been going on, and what kind of nation have we become lately".

Remember, in the last few years we were confronted by 2 murders, one on a politician (who questioned for example the moral downfall of our society), and one on a filmmaker who got killed for his opinions by a muslim extremist on a "holy mission".
Both crimes have changed our way of life and self-conciousness forever.
Both crimes were committed by persons who seemed to be perfectly fitted in our everyday society, just as your suicide bombers.
Either way, they weren't committed by alien forces from abroad.
We have been confronted with some reactions of revenge, payback-time and the like.
Hopefully, you British people won't go this far.

But in this perspective, both the offensive posts AND the reaction of the forum's admins, should maybe be considered out of proportion. I think this is just part of a natural process of a nation that is trying to understand, reflect on, and cope with the events that happened lately, trying to find and re-define themselves again in a obviously changing world around us.

Of course, this forum should prevent any attempts on any kind of the spreading of hate, dividing between groups of people, or racism.

In time, things will normalise and be put in perspective. l It will take some tme and effort. In the meantime, everyone should be aware of the fine line between serious sceptism regarding the question " what has become of us" and simply blaming an entire part of your community for the acts of some vicious lunatics.

[Steve R]

Upon reading the title of this thread, I licked my lips at the prospect of some juicy racism.

You can imagine my disappointment.

[Guilbert]

But what is racism ?

If someobdy in the UK wanted to create a newspaper for
whites only, would that be racist. Of course it would.

If someobdy in the UK wanted to start a choir for
whites only, would that be racist. Of course it would.

If someobdy in the UK wanted to create a branch of the
Police force for whites only, would that be racist.
Of course it would.

If someobdy in the UK wanted to create a business group
for whites only, would that be racist. Of course it would.

If someobdy in the UK wanted to create a website for
whites only, would that be racist. Of course it would.

If a public library wanted to create a section of the library
for white authors only would that be racist. Of course it
would.

If a political party, by choice, offered only white
candidates for the local party to choose from, would
that be racist. Of course it would.

So how come in the UK we have:

The Black Voice (now called The Voice), a newspaper for
black people.

The London Black Gospel Choir, a choir for black people

The National Black Police Association, a group for black
policemen, see

The Institute of Asian Businesses, as it says, a group
for Asian businessmen


The Black in Britain web site, for black people only


Libraries with section for Black writers

The Labour party offering a list of black only candidates


Aren't they all being racist ?

[RetroDon]

Yes, they are.
Racism is only unacceptable when it's the good old-fashioned white bigotry.

Speaking form experience, the highest level of racism comes from the "minorities". Most of the turkish friends I have hate "paki's", a lot of "bling bling" black dudes despise all asians etc etc etc.
This is rarely mentioned as a problem, "racism" is roundly defined as a white predudice, but in reality most white people in the UK under 40 are as un-racist as they come, multi-culturalism and political correctness having long since banished the old terms such as "wog", "coon" etc that were so widely-used 30 years ago.

[diplodocus]

no, none of these groups are racist, you totally miss the point and should read the definition of racism again.

'the belief that one's own race is better than other'

I see none of these organisations preaching this kind of message

[Jacques]

If you live in say Kenya and you start a cricket club for ex-pats only.....is that racist? No - because you are an ethnic minority.

[diplodocus]

I didn't say you did, I was replying to Guilbert

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